Science NFT -Need math help

Frosty · 01-22-2009, 03:29 PM

Since it seems to be homework day on CP, I was hoping there were some math wizzes around. In the past, there were a few math majors around, IIRC.

My wife is helping out with the Math Is Cool team at our middle school and has run into a problem that she can't explain how to do mathematically. I am no help here because I sucked at probability in college.

The problem goes something like:"Cindy is buying four balloons. She can pick from any of four different colors. How many unique combinations can she make?"

On first thought, it would just be 4x4x4x4 (256). However, some of those combinations are duplicates (RRBB = RBBR). You can brute force it out by listing the different combinations to get the answer of 35 but this is too slow for a competition.

Any help on how to explain this mathematically so the kids can do the problem quickly?

rad · 01-22-2009, 03:37 PM

4x3x2x1=

Frosty · 01-22-2009, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad

4x3x2x1=

Nope, because you can repeat colors.

The answer is 35, but I'm just not sure how to get it.

tooge · 01-22-2009, 03:41 PM

The solution is this. Cindy is way to high maintenance to be involved with. She needs to decide on one freakin balloon color to make it easier. If she needs different ones, then get all 4 colors. Cindy probably asks for 3 different salad dressings all on the side too. She probably needs to have the lights off to have sex as well. Tell ya what. Keep away from this chick.

TipRoast · 01-22-2009, 03:47 PM

Here's the equation you want:

(n+r-1)!
-----------
r! * (n-1)!

In your case,

n (number from which to choose) = 4
r (number chosen) = 4

So the equation reduces to this:

7!
-------
4! * 3!

or

7*6*5 * 4!
-----------
4! * 3!

which is 35.

**AustinChief** · 01-22-2009, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TipRoast

Here's the equation you want:

(n+r-1)!
-----------
r! * (n-1)!

In your case,

n (number from which to choose) = 4
r (number chosen) = 4

So the equation reduces to this:

7!
-------
4! * 3!

or

7*6*5 * 4!
-----------
4! * 3!

which is 35.

Damn it.. beat me to it!

Frosty · 01-22-2009, 03:50 PM

Thanks, TipRoast!

TipRoast · 01-22-2009, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arc

Thanks, TipRoast!

You're welcome.

I happened to have a videotape of my last statistics class, right next to my videotape of the 2007 opening game versus the Jets.

bizzar54 · 01-22-2009, 03:50 PM

Beat me to it. Always get this confused with permutations and combinations.

**Gonzo** · 01-22-2009, 03:43 PM

Are they filled with heroin?

It makes a difference.

**AustinChief** · 01-22-2009, 03:48 PM

(4+4-1)! / (4! * 3!) = 7! / 144 = 5040/144 = 35

**pr_capone** · 01-22-2009, 03:46 PM

My wife is a math geek. If you don't have an answer for this by the time she gets home I'll have her take a look at it.

**pr_capone** · 01-22-2009, 03:48 PM

well...

never mind then

**alpha_omega** · 01-22-2009, 03:48 PM

For sure not a math genius here, but wouldn't it be 4 to the 4th like your first thought?

**alpha_omega** · 01-22-2009, 03:50 PM

Wow....you guys are smart.

I had a flashback to factorials as i was thinking about it, but i wasn't sure how it applied to this situation.

01-22-2009, 03:29 PM	Topic Starter
Frosty Go Beavers! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Washington Casino cash: $3518243	NFT -Need math help Since it seems to be homework day on CP, I was hoping there were some math wizzes around. In the past, there were a few math majors around, IIRC. My wife is helping out with the Math Is Cool team at our middle school and has run into a problem that she can't explain how to do mathematically. I am no help here because I sucked at probability in college. The problem goes something like:"Cindy is buying four balloons. She can pick from any of four different colors. How many unique combinations can she make?" On first thought, it would just be 4x4x4x4 (256). However, some of those combinations are duplicates (RRBB = RBBR). You can brute force it out by listing the different combinations to get the answer of 35 but this is too slow for a competition. Any help on how to explain this mathematically so the kids can do the problem quickly?
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01-22-2009, 03:41 PM	#4
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $804112	The solution is this. Cindy is way to high maintenance to be involved with. She needs to decide on one freakin balloon color to make it easier. If she needs different ones, then get all 4 colors. Cindy probably asks for 3 different salad dressings all on the side too. She probably needs to have the lights off to have sex as well. Tell ya what. Keep away from this chick.
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01-22-2009, 03:47 PM	#5
TipRoast Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Casino cash: $9954900	Here's the equation you want: (n+r-1)! ----------- r! * (n-1)! In your case, n (number from which to choose) = 4 r (number chosen) = 4 So the equation reduces to this: 7! ------- 4! * 3! or 765 * 4! ----------- 4! * 3! which is 35.
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01-22-2009, 03:50 PM	#7
Frosty Go Beavers! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Washington Casino cash: $3518243	Thanks, TipRoast!
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01-22-2009, 03:50 PM	#9
bizzar54 Starter Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10004900	Beat me to it. Always get this confused with permutations and combinations.
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01-22-2009, 03:48 PM	#11
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $-514998	(4+4-1)! / (4! * 3!) = 7! / 144 = 5040/144 = 35
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pr_capone THREEPEAT!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NWMO Casino cash: $9948214	My wife is a math geek. If you don't have an answer for this by the time she gets home I'll have her take a look at it.
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01-22-2009, 03:48 PM	#14
alpha_omega Supporter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Liberty Casino cash: $-1560000	For sure not a math genius here, but wouldn't it be 4 to the 4th like your first thought?
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