Chiefs Odds are Herm still employed after today...

**petegz28** · 01-23-2009, 08:48 AM

Seeing as Jack Hary says it was Shanahan, Mort said Herm would be gone by today, Collinsworth said it was Haley and Schefter said we had not spoke with Shanahan, Ari's realtor said it was Cowher and the latest Gailey story, I'd say....

Herm will still be here after today, contrary to all of the above. Hopefully Pioli will make me eat my words but all I have seen is all the "experts" don't have a ****ing clue.

Deberg_1990 · 01-23-2009, 08:50 AM

I just dont see how Pioli could keep Herm?

He would immediatly ruin all the goodwill and credibility he has built up amongst the fanbase the past few weeks.

Hes a smart guy. I just cant believe he would do that.

**petegz28** · 01-23-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I just dont see how Pioli could keep Herm?

He would immediatly ruin all the goodwill and credibility he has built up amongst the fanbase the past few weeks.

Hes a smart guy. I just cant believe he would do that.

The only thing I can think is that if Piloi can't get who he wants, he will keep Herm. That or he was banking on Spagnuolo and that hosed up his plans when he went to STL. Either way it looks bad when the Senior Bowl is underway and we do not have a head coach there. Though Piloi is known for playing things close to the vest, this is getting rather rediculous and makes me wonder about the off-season ahead for the team?

**chiefforlife** · 01-23-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

The only thing I can think is that if Piloi can't get who he wants, he will keep Herm. That or he was banking on Spagnuolo and that hosed up his plans when he went to STL. Either way it looks bad when the Senior Bowl is underway and we do not have a head coach there. Though Piloi is known for playing things close to the vest, this is getting rather rediculous and makes me wonder about the off-season ahead for the team?

Perhaps if they had actually fired Herm, the rest of the NFL (Spagnuolo) would have realized that the Chiefs actually had an opening for HC. That may have helped the process.

siberian khatru · 01-23-2009, 09:02 AM

I don't see how they can keep Herm.

1) You can't keep him on a 1-year contract as a lame duck.

2) You take a huge risk giving him a contract extension. He's coming off a 6-26 stretch, which means he's on incredibly thin ice. If he starts out 09 1-5 or whatever, Arrowhead will be a ghost town and there will be tremendous pressure to fire him. Suppose he goes 6-10 -- are the Chiefs really gonna sell that as progress, especially considering what Atlanta and Miami did this year? So you have to fire Herm -- and owe him for the remainder of his contract (say, 2 years). AND you have to hire a new coach and pay him, perhaps very well if you go after a big name. Will Clark want to fork over all that money?

3) However, if you bring in a new coach, even if he goes 6-10 there's a bit more of a grace period. Because he's not Herm, the team and the fans can say, well, he was given a daunting task not of his making, let's give him another year to really turn it around, etc.

The new guy gets a clean slate. Herm doesn't. Herm comes with all this baggage and bad feelings. It just seems to me a huge gamble to bring him back. I don't see what it accomplishes. Plus, he's hardly an indispensable man. It's not like he's got a Super Bowl or two to fall back on as proof he's THE guy, like a Cowher, Shanahan or Parcells type. You would think Pioli is confident enough to have identified other coaches who can do better.

The ONLY thing that could make Herm stay, I guess, is if Clark simply puts his foot down and says he believes with all his heart, every fiber in his body, that Herm is the one guy in all of football who can lead this team. But if he really believed that, I would think they already would have announced Herm is staying.

Deberg_1990 · 01-23-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I don't see how they can keep Herm.

1) You can't keep him on a 1-year contract as a lame duck.

2) You take a huge risk giving him a contract extension. He's coming off a 6-26 stretch, which means he's on incredibly thin ice. If he starts out 09 1-5 or whatever, Arrowhead will be a ghost town and there will be tremendous pressure to fire him. Suppose he goes 6-10 -- are the Chiefs really gonna sell that as progress, especially considering what Atlanta and Miami did this year? So you have to fire Herm -- and owe him for the remainder of his contract (say, 2 years). AND you have to hire a new coach and pay him, perhaps very well if you go after a big name. Will Clark want to fork over all that money?

3) However, if you bring in a new coach, even if he goes 6-10 there's a bit more of a grace period. Because he's not Herm, the team and the fans can say, well, he was given a daunting task not of his making, let's give him another year to really turn it around, etc.

The new guy gets a clean slate. Herm doesn't. Herm comes with all this baggage and bad feelings. It just seems to me a huge gamble to bring him back. I don't see what it accomplishes. Plus, he's hardly an indispensable man. It's not like he's got a Super Bowl or two to fall back on as proof he's THE guy, like a Cowher, Shanahan or Parcells type. You would think Pioli is confident enough to have identified other coaches who can do better.

The ONLY thing that could make Herm stay, I guess, is if Clark simply puts his foot down and says he believes with all his heart, every fiber in his body, that Herm is the one guy in all of football who can lead this team. But if he really believed that, I would think they already would have announced Herm is staying.

What he said.

StcChief · 01-23-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I don't see how they can keep Herm.

1) You can't keep him on a 1-year contract as a lame duck.

2) You take a huge risk giving him a contract extension. He's coming off a 6-26 stretch, which means he's on incredibly thin ice. If he starts out 09 1-5 or whatever, Arrowhead will be a ghost town and there will be tremendous pressure to fire him. Suppose he goes 6-10 -- are the Chiefs really gonna sell that as progress, especially considering what Atlanta and Miami did this year? So you have to fire Herm -- and owe him for the remainder of his contract (say, 2 years). AND you have to hire a new coach and pay him, perhaps very well if you go after a big name. Will Clark want to fork over all that money?

3) However, if you bring in a new coach, even if he goes 6-10 there's a bit more of a grace period. Because he's not Herm, the team and the fans can say, well, he was given a daunting task not of his making, let's give him another year to really turn it around, etc.

The new guy gets a clean slate. Herm doesn't. Herm comes with all this baggage and bad feelings. It just seems to me a huge gamble to bring him back. I don't see what it accomplishes. Plus, he's hardly an indispensable man. It's not like he's got a Super Bowl or two to fall back on as proof he's THE guy, like a Cowher, Shanahan or Parcells type. You would think Pioli is confident enough to have identified other coaches who can do better.

The ONLY thing that could make Herm stay, I guess, is if Clark simply puts his foot down and says he believes with all his heart, every fiber in his body, that Herm is the one guy in all of football who can lead this team. But if he really believed that, I would think they already would have announced Herm is staying.

Where are the professional journalists to say this it makes the most sense.

Fish · 01-23-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I don't see how they can keep Herm.

1) You can't keep him on a 1-year contract as a lame duck.

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Why? Why is coaching the last year of your contract with no extension in place yet considered to be "lame duck"? Who made that up?

Why is everyone so convinced that a coach won't play out the last year of his contract? That makes very little sense to me. This idea has been thrown around for a bit now, and it seems like everyone is taking this idea as accepted truth. But I don't see it that way. I don't see that it's so crazy for a coach to continue in the last year of his contract without everyone around him running for the hills. That's silly. It's not a requirement that you have to have an extension in place before you coach the last year of your current contract. Especially if you're a coach that has only won 6 games in the last 2 seasons.

Everyone has seemed to accept that he'll either be fired or get an extension. Either or. But I don't think that's the only possible outcome at all...

**DeezNutz** · 01-23-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Why? Why is coaching the last year of your contract with no extension in place yet considered to be "lame duck"? Who made that up?

Why is everyone so convinced that a coach won't play out the last year of his contract? That makes very little sense to me. This idea has been thrown around for a bit now, and it seems like everyone is taking this idea as accepted truth. But I don't see it that way. I don't see that it's so crazy for a coach to continue in the last year of his contract without everyone around him running for the hills. That's silly. It's not a requirement that you have to have an extension in place before you coach the last year of your current contract. Especially if you're a coach that has only won 6 games in the last 2 seasons.

Everyone has seemed to accept that he'll either be fired or get an extension. Either or. But I don't think that's the only possible outcome at all...

And what happens in the locker room when the team gets off to a slow start, 0-4? Do you think that a coach in the last year of his contract will be able to demand the respect of players who are inked long term?

Everyone will know the coach is going to get fired and things will quickly become a circus. Essentially, '09 would become (yet another) lost season.

**petegz28** · 01-23-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And what happens in the locker room when the team gets off to a slow start, 0-4? Do you think that a coach in the last year of his contract will be able to demand the respect of players who are inked long term?

Everyone will know the coach is going to get fired and things will quickly become a circus. Essentially, '09 would become (yet another) lost season.

this

Fish · 01-23-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And what happens in the locker room when the team gets off to a slow start, 0-4? Do you think that a coach in the last year of his contract will be able to demand the respect of players who are inked long term?

Everyone will know the coach is going to get fired and things will quickly become a circus. Essentially, '09 would become (yet another) lost season.

BS. If the players give up after an 0-4 start because they're scared of the possibility of a new coach the season after, then I don't want a single one of them on the team. You really believe they play with that attitude? You really think their egos are so brittle that they can't handle losing unless the head coach is guaranteed to be there the next season? That seems absurd. If they hire a new coach and still go 0-4, will it be that different simply knowing the coach's job is safe?

The idea that a team can't or won't play hard or play together unless the coaching situation is guaranteed long term is just stupid.

FringeNC · 01-23-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And what happens in the locker room when the team gets off to a slow start, 0-4? Do you think that a coach in the last year of his contract will be able to demand the respect of players who are inked long term?

Everyone will know the coach is going to get fired and things will quickly become a circus. Essentially, '09 would become (yet another) lost season.

like Seattle...

KC-TBB · 01-23-2009, 08:53 AM

I have felt that impending feeling of doom before...maybe it is just taking some time to sharpen the axe!

StcChief · 01-23-2009, 08:54 AM

is this all dependent on the college game this weekend?
I'm sure all employeed/unemployeed coaches will be watching. evaluating.

The combines are still to come..... I still think we have time to get a coach.

Don't assume Herm is still here for 2009.

talastan · 01-23-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

is this all dependent on the college game this weekend?
I'm sure all employeed/unemployeed coaches will be watching. evaluating.

The combines are still to come..... I still think we have time to get a coach.

Don't assume Herm is still here for 2009.

The real question is what seniors are we looking at.

Normally you'd think that if our top draft choice was playing our coaching staff would be down there observing him themselves. But maybe our top draft choice isn't a Senior, a junior QB maybe.

01-23-2009, 08:48 AM	Topic Starter
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01-23-2009, 08:50 AM	#2
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $164454	I just dont see how Pioli could keep Herm? He would immediatly ruin all the goodwill and credibility he has built up amongst the fanbase the past few weeks. Hes a smart guy. I just cant believe he would do that. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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01-23-2009, 09:02 AM	#5
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $-1305050	I don't see how they can keep Herm. 1) You can't keep him on a 1-year contract as a lame duck. 2) You take a huge risk giving him a contract extension. He's coming off a 6-26 stretch, which means he's on incredibly thin ice. If he starts out 09 1-5 or whatever, Arrowhead will be a ghost town and there will be tremendous pressure to fire him. Suppose he goes 6-10 -- are the Chiefs really gonna sell that as progress, especially considering what Atlanta and Miami did this year? So you have to fire Herm -- and owe him for the remainder of his contract (say, 2 years). AND you have to hire a new coach and pay him, perhaps very well if you go after a big name. Will Clark want to fork over all that money? 3) However, if you bring in a new coach, even if he goes 6-10 there's a bit more of a grace period. Because he's not Herm, the team and the fans can say, well, he was given a daunting task not of his making, let's give him another year to really turn it around, etc. The new guy gets a clean slate. Herm doesn't. Herm comes with all this baggage and bad feelings. It just seems to me a huge gamble to bring him back. I don't see what it accomplishes. Plus, he's hardly an indispensable man. It's not like he's got a Super Bowl or two to fall back on as proof he's THE guy, like a Cowher, Shanahan or Parcells type. You would think Pioli is confident enough to have identified other coaches who can do better. The ONLY thing that could make Herm stay, I guess, is if Clark simply puts his foot down and says he believes with all his heart, every fiber in his body, that Herm is the one guy in all of football who can lead this team. But if he really believed that, I would think they already would have announced Herm is staying.
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01-23-2009, 08:53 AM	#13
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01-23-2009, 08:54 AM	#14
StcChief Playing for #1 Draft Pick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Just West of Lambs land Casino cash: $10004900	is this all dependent on the college game this weekend? I'm sure all employeed/unemployeed coaches will be watching. evaluating. The combines are still to come..... I still think we have time to get a coach. Don't assume Herm is still here for 2009. __________________ sig test for this screwy schema
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