Chiefs Vermeil's philosophy

Oz_Chief · 01-04-2010, 02:15 PM

I recalled a Coach Vermeil quote from a few years back. His stated philosophy was that to build a competitive football team one must start with LT, QB and RB.

My questions to the board are:

1. Do you agree with his philosophy?
2. How far away are we from having these three pieces in place?

RedThat · 01-04-2010, 02:17 PM

I think thats a good start if you want to build a good offense. I don't agree with that philosophy.

kaplin42 · 01-04-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I think thats a good start if you want to build a good offense. I don't agree with that philosophy.

The quote, and phillosphy is fine. Is it perfect, probably not, but neither is anything else.

The thing many of the posters in the thread missed was the "to start" part of the phillosophy.

QB
RB
LT

These are some pretty big components of an offense, and it could be the start of any consistantly winning team. Problem is, DV stopped there, and didn't continue. If as mentioned, he would have added a WR or two and then worked on the D a bit, things might be a bit different.

Chiefnj2 · 01-04-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kaplin42

The quote, and phillosphy is fine. Is it perfect, probably not, but neither is anything else.

The thing many of the posters in the thread missed was the "to start" part of the phillosophy.

QB
RB
LT

These are some pretty big components of an offense, and it could be the start of any consistantly winning team. Problem is, DV stopped there, and didn't continue. If as mentioned, he would have added a WR or two and then worked on the D a bit, things might be a bit different.

His approach and defensive philosophy was fine - hand it to a DC and stick your nose out of it if it isn't your strong suit. Sadly, he picked as wrong as one could pick and landed GRROB and Gunther. I would hope that Haley takes the same approach with Crennel.

RedThat · 01-04-2010, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaplin42

The quote, and phillosphy is fine. Is it perfect, probably not, but neither is anything else.

The thing many of the posters in the thread missed was the "to start" part of the phillosophy.

QB
RB
LT

These are some pretty big components of an offense, and it could be the start of any consistantly winning team. Problem is, DV stopped there, and didn't continue. If as mentioned, he would have added a WR or two and then worked on the D a bit, things might be a bit different.

Right, I follow you. My bad.

DaWolf · 01-04-2010, 02:17 PM

Note how he left out the defense...

RedThat · 01-04-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Note how he left out the defense...

heh...exactly

**Bane** · 01-04-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Note how he left out the defense...

Yeah it was hell watching Tony,Priest,and Trent hang 40 points on teams and watching the D allow 41.

Shit I still remember thinking Priest could have had 40 TD's if DV would have let him!

CHIEFS58 · 01-04-2010, 02:18 PM

Roaf, Green, and Holmes took us to 13-3. Add a defense and recievers, and baby you got a stew going! So, its really only half a philosophy...

DaWolf · 01-04-2010, 02:24 PM

I disagree with the notion of that's what it takes to build a competitive football team. Marty had competitive football teams here for a decade and pretty much did it with journeymen QB's and RBBC.

I'll go with what Rex Ryan said the other day, if you have a real good defense and can run the ball, you can compete with anyone.

If you want to have a dominating offense, having what Vermeil describes would be important...

Deberg_1990 · 01-04-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

I'll go with what Rex Ryan said the other day, if you have a real good defense and can run the ball, you can compete with anyone.

Give me that and a top 5 QB, and you can win some ships.

TigerPig · 01-05-2010, 03:08 AM

The best defense is a good offense...

I also think in a 3-4 scheme the NT is probably one of the MOST IMPORTANT positions. In the 4-3 the MLB is cause the DTs can share duty and help each other out (but the MLB is on his own). But in a 3-4 its the opposite. You can have two good (not great) LBs and still do fine. But you have to have a GREAT NT to do the job two people were doing before.

You can call me crazy all you want. But I will believe it to the end.

As far as offense, I wholeheartedly agree with the Vermeil strategy. And anyone who says Vermeil doesn't know offense is insane anyway. But I'll add that a RG is a HUGE asset also for a RB.

RedThat · 01-04-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

I disagree with the notion of that's what it takes to build a competitive football team. Marty had competitive football teams here for a decade and pretty much did it with journeymen QB's and RBBC.

I'll go with what Rex Ryan said the other day, if you have a real good defense and can run the ball, you can compete with anyone.

If you want to have a dominating offense, having what Vermeil describes would be important...

I think this is good if you want to make the playoffs. Thats it. But still, Im a believer that you need everything. Balance is the key to success. Teams that win bowls are solid everywhere.

Dayze · 01-04-2010, 02:25 PM

I'd go with LT, QB, and MLB.

RedThat · 01-04-2010, 02:30 PM

You want to build a good competitive football team?

Think both sides of the ball. I say for offense, a good start would be a LT, QB, RB. I agree with Vermeil on this for offense only. I don't agree with his philosophy in general.

And for defense, a good start would be a passrusher, an excellent NT or DT, a MLB, and safety. Gimme those four on defense and were talking.

01-04-2010, 02:15 PM	Topic Starter
Oz_Chief Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Casino cash: $-2274899	Vermeil's philosophy I recalled a Coach Vermeil quote from a few years back. His stated philosophy was that to build a competitive football team one must start with LT, QB and RB. My questions to the board are: 1. Do you agree with his philosophy? 2. How far away are we from having these three pieces in place?
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01-04-2010, 02:17 PM	#2
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I think thats a good start if you want to build a good offense. I don't agree with that philosophy.
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01-04-2010, 02:17 PM	#6
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Note how he left out the defense...
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01-04-2010, 02:18 PM	#9
CHIEFS58 Smoke a turd. Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Western North Carolina Casino cash: $10004930	Roaf, Green, and Holmes took us to 13-3. Add a defense and recievers, and baby you got a stew going! So, its really only half a philosophy...
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01-04-2010, 02:24 PM	#10
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	I disagree with the notion of that's what it takes to build a competitive football team. Marty had competitive football teams here for a decade and pretty much did it with journeymen QB's and RBBC. I'll go with what Rex Ryan said the other day, if you have a real good defense and can run the ball, you can compete with anyone. If you want to have a dominating offense, having what Vermeil describes would be important...
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01-05-2010, 03:08 AM	#12
TigerPig One with the Force Join Date: Jan 2010 Casino cash: $10004900	The best defense is a good offense... I also think in a 3-4 scheme the NT is probably one of the MOST IMPORTANT positions. In the 4-3 the MLB is cause the DTs can share duty and help each other out (but the MLB is on his own). But in a 3-4 its the opposite. You can have two good (not great) LBs and still do fine. But you have to have a GREAT NT to do the job two people were doing before. You can call me crazy all you want. But I will believe it to the end. As far as offense, I wholeheartedly agree with the Vermeil strategy. And anyone who says Vermeil doesn't know offense is insane anyway. But I'll add that a RG is a HUGE asset also for a RB.
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01-04-2010, 02:25 PM	#14
Dayze Resident Glue Sniffer Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $1629358	I'd go with LT, QB, and MLB. __________________ Life is 99% inspiration, 1% Perspiration, and 1% Attention to Detial. RIP & Godspeed: Saccoppo Lonewolf Ed Fire Me Boy
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01-04-2010, 02:30 PM	#15
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	You want to build a good competitive football team? Think both sides of the ball. I say for offense, a good start would be a LT, QB, RB. I agree with Vermeil on this for offense only. I don't agree with his philosophy in general. And for defense, a good start would be a passrusher, an excellent NT or DT, a MLB, and safety. Gimme those four on defense and were talking.
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