Chiefs Football Outsiders Ranks Matt Cassel 44th of 46 QBs

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2010, 01:02 PM

Giving him a ranking of 463 yards below replacement level.

QBs who finished behind Cassel: Stafford and Russell.

QBs who finished ahead of Cassel: Everyone else in the NFL who threw more than 100 passes.

On a positive note, he was 38/46 on a per play basis, narrowly edging out Josh Freeman.

On another positive note, Brodie Croyle would have finished 25 had he accumulated enough attempts.

Top 5 QBs (In order)

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Rivers
4. Brees
5. Favre

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

MMXcalibur · 01-08-2010, 01:03 PM

My grandpa ranked Matt Cassel oatmeal out of adult diapers.

**The Franchise** · 01-08-2010, 01:04 PM

Ouch.

teedubya · 01-08-2010, 01:04 PM

awesome! Go Cassel Go!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2010, 01:06 PM

PASSING: Minimum 100 passes, 46 players ranked

Player	Team	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
T.Brady	NE	2,170	1	1,799	6	44.1%	2	34.7%	587	4,447	6,113	28	2	2	13	65.7%
P.Manning	IND	1,932	2	2,017	1	38.1%	5	40.3%	591	4,640	5,778	33	1	0	16	68.8%
P.Rivers	SD	1,919	3	1,855	4	46.1%	1	44.2%	519	4,254	5,310	28	3	3	9	65.5%
D.Brees	NO	1,846	4	1,884	2	41.0%	3	42.1%	538	4,323	5,377	34	2	6	11	70.9%
B.Favre	MIN	1,803	5	1,862	3	39.0%	4	40.7%	569	4,095	5,341	33	0	2	7	68.9%
M.Schaub	HOU	1,789	6	1,853	5	33.5%	6	35.1%	607	4,666	5,661	29	1	1	15	68.5%
T.Romo	DAL	1,596	7	1,497	8	32.5%	7	29.8%	591	4,328	5,115	26	1	4	9	63.6%
B.Roethlisberger	PIT	1,392	8	1,459	9	27.9%	8	29.7%	563	4,103	4,768	26	3	3	11	66.7%
A.Rodgers	GB	1,293	9	1,512	7	22.7%	9	28.4%	600	4,262	4,847	30	3	4	7	65.3%
E.Manning	NYG	1,108	10	977	11	21.2%	11	17.4%	541	3,867	4,256	27	4	6	13	62.5%
K.Warner	ARI	1,032	11	1,237	10	18.1%	13	23.9%	537	3,696	4,250	27	5	5	12	67.2%
K.Orton	DEN	885	12	916	12	13.2%	17	14.1%	577	3,771	4,122	21	2	2	11	62.3%
M.Ryan	ATL	830	13	582	16	16.7%	15	8.4%	470	2,844	3,520	22	3	2	13	59.1%
J.Flacco	BAL	829	14	893	13	13.2%	18	15.1%	541	3,528	3,876	21	5	2	11	63.5%
C.Palmer	CIN	708	15	749	14	12.0%	19	13.3%	496	2,957	3,428	21	4	2	11	61.2%
D.McNabb	PHI	630	16	649	15	9.2%	20	9.8%	485	3,372	3,334	22	6	3	9	60.5%
Player	Team	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
C.Henne	MIA	584	17	424	18	7.8%	21	2.6%	479	2,755	3,278	12	4	0	13	61.2%
V.Young	TEN	490	18	461	17	17.6%	14	15.9%	271	1,828	2,032	10	4	0	7	59.1%
D.Garrard	JAC	368	19	403	19	-0.8%	23	0.2%	565	3,441	3,364	15	5	7	10	61.4%
J.Campbell	WAS	337	20	380	20	-1.7%	24	-0.5%	555	3,363	3,340	20	6	3	14	65.1%
M.Moore	CAR	303	21	320	21	21.5%	10	23.3%	149	995	1,151	8	2	0	2	61.6%
C.Redman	ATL	235	22	164	22	19.0%	12	9.9%	127	758	949	4	1	0	3	59.0%
K.Kolb	PHI	179	23	160	23	15.9%	16	13.1%	100	711	777	4	0	1	2	64.6%

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2010, 01:04 PM

Revised as of 1/4/2009

Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
The simple version: DYAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play.

**DeezNutz** · 01-08-2010, 01:06 PM

He graded out perfectly:

Drops.
O-line.
Herm.
Coaching.
Wind.
System.
Obama.

Hammock Parties · 01-08-2010, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

He graded out perfectly:

Drops.
O-line.
Herm.
Coaching.
Wind.
System.
Obama.

HARK! The second horseman of the Apo-cassel-ypse has swooped into the thread on his equine terror mount! Avert your eyes from missing the playoffs by one game...he is Deeznutz, horseman of the four interceptions thrown to the Buffalo Bills in a 2005 road game.

Simply Red · 01-08-2010, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

He graded out perfectly:

Drops.
O-line.
Herm.
Coaching.
Wind.
System.
Obama.

what's an Obama?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-08-2010, 01:06 PM

B.Leftwich	TB	112	24	12	27	4.8%	22	-9.5%	112	601	709	4	2	0	3	54.2%
B.Gradkowski	OAK	79	25	15	26	-3.6%	25	-9.7%	162	937	949	6	2	3	3	55.8%
S.Wallace	SEA	0	26	-3	28	-11.1%	26	-11.4%	134	614	664	3	3	2	2	65.5%
D.Culpepper	DET	-30	27	-72	30	-13.9%	27	-17.8%	173	831	831	3	3	0	6	57.8%
A.Smith	SF	-80	28	98	24	-14.4%	28	-7.2%	395	2,300	1,894	18	1	1	12	60.6%
K.Collins	TEN	-81	29	-76	31	-16.9%	29	-16.5%	224	1,178	1,026	6	1	2	8	55.1%
M.Bulger	STL	-134	30	34	25	-19.1%	31	-9.1%	262	1,397	1,173	5	2	1	6	57.1%
B.Quinn	CLE	-148	31	-153	33	-19.5%	32	-19.7%	276	1,270	1,236	8	1	2	6	53.1%
T.Edwards	BUF	-167	32	-139	32	-24.6%	37	-22.3%	207	1,019	771	6	1	0	6	60.4%
Player	Team	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
R.Fitzpatrick	BUF	-177	33	-243	36	-22.7%	35	-27.0%	248	1,299	997	9	1	2	9	56.2%
J.Delhomme	CAR	-198	34	-319	40	-20.2%	33	-25.8%	341	1,829	1,482	8	3	3	18	56.3%
S.Hill	SF	-210	35	-69	29	-31.3%	40	-17.8%	177	877	553	5	2	1	2	56.9%
J.Johnson	TB	-227	36	-301	39	-38.6%	43	-47.5%	139	675	347	4	5	0	7	50.4%
J.Cutler	CHI	-227	37	-161	35	-17.1%	30	-15.4%	593	3,545	2,753	27	7	1	26	61.2%
M.Sanchez	NYJ	-287	38	-278	37	-22.8%	36	-22.4%	391	2,307	1,598	12	6	3	20	54.4%
J.Freeman	TB	-294	39	-410	43	-26.1%	39	-32.0%	313	1,756	1,182	10	7	2	17	55.2%
K.Boller	STL	-305	40	-283	38	-35.6%	42	-33.9%	193	789	588	3	0	1	6	56.0%
M.Hasselbeck	SEA	-339	41	-156	34	-21.1%	34	-15.7%	529	2,886	2,292	17	8	2	16	60.2%
D.Anderson	CLE	-361	42	-444	45	-40.4%	44	-47.1%	196	856	502	3	2	3	10	44.8%
K.Null	STL	-394	43	-405	42	-59.1%	46	-60.4%	134	480	126	3	1	1	8	61.3%
M.Cassel	KC	-463	44	-433	44	-24.7%	38	-23.8%	550	2,727	2,116	16	9	3	15	55.8%
M.Stafford	DET	-531	45	-380	41	-31.9%	41	-26.0%	398	2,190	1,343	13	3	1	20	54.5%
J.Russell	OAK	-755	46	-795	46	-57.2%	45	-59.7%	280	1,122	294	3	3	6	10	49.0%

SDChiefs · 01-08-2010, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

B.Leftwich	TB	112	24	12	27	4.8%	22	-9.5%	112	601	709	4	2	0	3	54.2%
B.Gradkowski	OAK	79	25	15	26	-3.6%	25	-9.7%	162	937	949	6	2	3	3	55.8%
S.Wallace	SEA	0	26	-3	28	-11.1%	26	-11.4%	134	614	664	3	3	2	2	65.5%
D.Culpepper	DET	-30	27	-72	30	-13.9%	27	-17.8%	173	831	831	3	3	0	6	57.8%
A.Smith	SF	-80	28	98	24	-14.4%	28	-7.2%	395	2,300	1,894	18	1	1	12	60.6%
K.Collins	TEN	-81	29	-76	31	-16.9%	29	-16.5%	224	1,178	1,026	6	1	2	8	55.1%
M.Bulger	STL	-134	30	34	25	-19.1%	31	-9.1%	262	1,397	1,173	5	2	1	6	57.1%
B.Quinn	CLE	-148	31	-153	33	-19.5%	32	-19.7%	276	1,270	1,236	8	1	2	6	53.1%
T.Edwards	BUF	-167	32	-139	32	-24.6%	37	-22.3%	207	1,019	771	6	1	0	6	60.4%
Player	Team	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Passes	Yards	EYds	TD	FK	FL	INT	C%
R.Fitzpatrick	BUF	-177	33	-243	36	-22.7%	35	-27.0%	248	1,299	997	9	1	2	9	56.2%
J.Delhomme	CAR	-198	34	-319	40	-20.2%	33	-25.8%	341	1,829	1,482	8	3	3	18	56.3%
S.Hill	SF	-210	35	-69	29	-31.3%	40	-17.8%	177	877	553	5	2	1	2	56.9%
J.Johnson	TB	-227	36	-301	39	-38.6%	43	-47.5%	139	675	347	4	5	0	7	50.4%
J.Cutler	CHI	-227	37	-161	35	-17.1%	30	-15.4%	593	3,545	2,753	27	7	1	26	61.2%
M.Sanchez	NYJ	-287	38	-278	37	-22.8%	36	-22.4%	391	2,307	1,598	12	6	3	20	54.4%
J.Freeman	TB	-294	39	-410	43	-26.1%	39	-32.0%	313	1,756	1,182	10	7	2	17	55.2%
K.Boller	STL	-305	40	-283	38	-35.6%	42	-33.9%	193	789	588	3	0	1	6	56.0%
M.Hasselbeck	SEA	-339	41	-156	34	-21.1%	34	-15.7%	529	2,886	2,292	17	8	2	16	60.2%
D.Anderson	CLE	-361	42	-444	45	-40.4%	44	-47.1%	196	856	502	3	2	3	10	44.8%
K.Null	STL	-394	43	-405	42	-59.1%	46	-60.4%	134	480	126	3	1	1	8	61.3%
M.Cassel	KC	-463	44	-433	44	-24.7%	38	-23.8%	550	2,727	2,116	16	9	3	15	55.8%
M.Stafford	DET	-531	45	-380	41	-31.9%	41	-26.0%	398	2,190	1,343	13	3	1	20	54.5%
J.Russell	OAK	-755	46	-795	46	-57.2%	45	-59.7%	280	1,122	294	3	3	6	10	49.0%

So what youre saying is.... Cassels not the answer?

**RealSNR** · 01-08-2010, 01:06 PM

To be fair, that's a list not necessarily accurate of a QB's worth. Aaron Rodgers is better than half of the guys ranked above him.

But still, it's got the right players slotted in roughly the right spots. That's pretty damning evidence against Cassel.

If you gave him an offensive line, I doubt his numbers would go up that much. Maybe he might make it above replacement level.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-08-2010, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

To be fair, that's a list not necessarily accurate of a QB's worth. Aaron Rodgers is better than half of the guys ranked above him.

But still, it's got the right players slotted in roughly the right spots. That's pretty damning evidence against Cassel.

If you gave him an offensive line, I doubt his numbers would go up that much. Maybe he might make it above replacement level.

So, out of Brady, Manning Rivers, Brees, Favre, Romo, Schaub and Roethlisberger, which 5 do you think Rodgers is better than?

**RealSNR** · 01-08-2010, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So, out of Brady, Manning Rivers, Brees, Favre, Romo, Schaub and Roethlisberger, which 5 do you think Rodgers is better than?

Okay, I exagerrated when I said half. I WOULD rather have him than Romo, Schaub, and Roethlisberger, though. And of course, Favre, but since this is a statistical analysis based on play for one year, I would say Favre was a better QB than Rodgers this year.

beer bacon · 01-08-2010, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So, out of Brady, Manning Rivers, Brees, Favre, Romo, Schaub and Roethlisberger, which 5 do you think Rodgers is better than?

I think he is better than Romo, Schaub, and Roethlisberger. He might be better than Favre.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7249572	Football Outsiders Ranks Matt Cassel 44th of 46 QBs Giving him a ranking of 463 yards below replacement level. QBs who finished behind Cassel: Stafford and Russell. QBs who finished ahead of Cassel: Everyone else in the NFL who threw more than 100 passes. On a positive note, he was 38/46 on a per play basis, narrowly edging out Josh Freeman. On another positive note, Brodie Croyle would have finished 25 had he accumulated enough attempts. Top 5 QBs (In order) 1. Brady 2. Manning 3. Rivers 4. Brees 5. Favre http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1334792	To be fair, that's a list not necessarily accurate of a QB's worth. Aaron Rodgers is better than half of the guys ranked above him. But still, it's got the right players slotted in roughly the right spots. That's pretty damning evidence against Cassel. If you gave him an offensive line, I doubt his numbers would go up that much. Maybe he might make it above replacement level.
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