Football Berry is a real possibility for the Redskins

Titty Meat · 04-12-2010, 02:24 PM

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**The Bad Guy** · 04-12-2010, 02:28 PM

Anyone that thinks the Redskins are going into 2010 with Stephon Hayer or Flozell Adams at LT are absolutely stupid as hell.

Landry is going nowhere. He walked out. So what. That's not forcing the Redskins hand at all.

Titty Meat · 04-12-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Anyone that thinks the Redskins are going into 2010 with Stephon Hayer or Flozell Adams at LT are absolutely stupid as hell.

Landry is going nowhere. He walked out. So what. That's not forcing the Redskins hand at all.

I guess i'm one of those people thats stupid as hell. Because the Redskins are in a win now mode and Berry will ertainly help.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-12-2010, 02:37 PM

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I guess i'm one of those people thats stupid as hell. Because the Redskins are in a win now mode and Berry will ertainly help.

And how would the Redskins really win? By protecting their stud QB.

Do you realize how many positions the Redskins need on the line?

They need to get 3, yes, 3 starters out of this draft for their OL.

Titty Meat · 04-12-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

And how would the Redskins really win? By protecting their stud QB.

Do you realize how many positions the Redskins need on the line?

They need to get 3, yes, 3 starters out of this draft for their OL.

And you can get linemen in the middle rounds. You can't get a guy like Berry in those rounds.

Mr. Laz · 04-12-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

And you can get linemen in the middle rounds. You can't get a guy like Berry in those rounds.

except the redskins don't have many middle round picks.

Was 1st ,4th ,5th ,7th

i imagine their first choice would be to trade down if possible

**The Bad Guy** · 04-12-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

And you can get linemen in the middle rounds. You can't get a guy like Berry in those rounds.

So you think they are going to hit on 3 starters in the middle rounds? They already invested a top 5 pick on 2 safeties in the last 6 years. There is no chance they are doing it again.

Saccopoo · 04-12-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

And how would the Redskins really win? By protecting their stud QB.

Do you realize how many positions the Redskins need on the line?

They need to get 3, yes, 3 starters out of this draft for their OL.

Wow...that sounds eerily familiar...dejavu? No? Maybe it's just the red jerseys...

**The Bad Guy** · 04-12-2010, 05:53 PM

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Wow...that sounds eerily familiar...dejavu? No? Maybe it's just the red jerseys...

Similar how? The Chiefs have pieces on the line. I'm sorry that you are such a ****ing idiot that you can't recognize that.

The Redskins have nothing except Casey Rabach.

aturnis · 04-12-2010, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

I guess i'm one of those people thats stupid as hell. Because the Redskins are in a win now mode and Berry will ertainly help.

Really? I will never understand how you guys think the one position that separates a winning season from a losing season is safety. Safety isn't even the most important position on the defense let alone an entire team.

Will Berry be good? Yes, he will be a starter in this league. Will he be a superstar? Who knows. Will he have a HUGE impact for the team he plays for? Not many safety's do, so his chances of that are slim, he has the tools to take advantage of those chances, but there's a lot working against him.

RedThat · 04-12-2010, 03:00 PM

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Really? I will never understand how you guys think the one position that separates a winning season from a losing season is safety. Safety isn't even the most important position on the defense let alone an entire team.

Will Berry be good? Yes, he will be a starter in this league. Will he be a superstar? Who knows. Will he have a HUGE impact for the team he plays for? Not many safety's do, so his chances of that are slim, he has the tools to take advantage of those chances, but there's a lot working against him.

As much as I love Berry's skills and character, IF the Chiefs draft him, I think they'll improve on defense, but, I still think they'd suck.

Of course, I only say this because I feel passrush is more important than adding a stud safety. Don't get me wrong, Berry will help, but if the Chiefs continue to prove they can't get to the quarterback, I don't care who you have back there, teams are still going to find ways to pick you apart.

*I hope they find a really good passrusher in this draft.

Titty Meat · 04-12-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Really? I will never understand how you guys think the one position that separates a winning season from a losing season is safety. Safety isn't even the most important position on the defense let alone an entire team.

Will Berry be good? Yes, he will be a starter in this league. Will he be a superstar? Who knows. Will he have a HUGE impact for the team he plays for? Not many safety's do, so his chances of that are slim, he has the tools to take advantage of those chances, but there's a lot working against him.

Ed Reed and Troy Polamlu say hello.

Saccopoo · 04-12-2010, 06:06 PM

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Ed Reed and Troy Polamlu say hello.

Ed Reed was selected at #24 and Polamalu at #16. And they are the best of their generation. Selected by teams who had most of the other key roster spots filled and could take a chance on using a first round pick on a safety. It's what good teams do.

While the importance of having a quality safety has increased since the pass interference rule enforcement after the 2004 season, it is still considered a support position that is the least important position on the defensive side of the ball.

While Eric Berry is an incredible athlete, he did nothing more statistically in his best season than a guy like Earl Thomas or Morgan Burnett did at the same position. A safety is basically limited to the number of opportunities that they are going to get in a game. Look at the numbers of the top safeties in the NFL. Their statistics are all virtually the same. The position caps itself in terms of production.

I don't know if by selecting Berry in round one that you get much if anything in terms of the position over say a guy like Robert Johnson in round five.

That's the problem with drafting a safety that high in the draft, and why you don't see many teams do it. Yes, I think that Berry has freakish athleticism, and has exceptional versatility in terms of what he brings to a defensive backfield. He is big enough, fast enough, athletic enough, instinctive enough to play any position in the backfield. In terms of giving you want you want out of his position, he's every bit the player as Bradford, Suh or Okung. Maybe even more. However, it's the position itself that is really going to make a GM/FO/Coach hesitate in terms of drafting him with a top ten pick, let alone a top five pick.

If Okung isn't available, I hope the Chiefs draft Berry. He'd be a better alternative than someone like Bryan Bulaga, Trent Williams or god forbid Dan Williams at that spot based on his athletic potential, college production and versatility alone. However, if they did pass on Berry, but picked up a guy like Morgan Burnett in the second, Darrell Stuckey in the third or a guy like Johnson or Myron Rolle in the fifth, I wouldn't be totally bummed out. They'd all offer the Chiefs an improved secondary.

In addition, you have to think about what the Chiefs want to do with Jarrad Page. Is he the free safety and do they then look at possible strong safeties? Or do they move him over to strong safety and draft a guy like Berry for the FS spot? Is a guy like Dajuan Morgan ready to turn the corner? Here's a third round draftee who's been with the team two seasons and was considered a versatile safety that could play a number of backfield positions.

I know that many people want and expect the Chiefs to draft Berry, but there are a lot of questions about that position as it relates to the Chiefs and the #5 pick.

beach tribe · 04-13-2010, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

Ed Reed and Troy Polamlu say hello.

And the league is moving in this direction. More, and more passing makes the safety position more valuable, and the youngsters recognizing this, or looking up to guys like Reed, and Polo, are staying at S at young ages.
Safety will be a premier position in the not too distant future.
Hopefully Pioli is up with the times. Berry IS worth a top 5 pick in today's NFL.

aturnis · 04-12-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Ed Reed and Troy Polamlu say hello.

The post you quoted says you're a ****ing reerun. Again.

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Really? I will never understand how you guys think the one position that separates a winning season from a losing season is safety. Safety isn't even the most important position on the defense let alone an entire team.

Will Berry be good? Yes, he will be a starter in this league. Will he be a superstar? Who knows. Will he have a HUGE impact for the team he plays for? Not many safety's do, so his chances of that are slim, he has the tools to take advantage of those chances, but there's a lot working against him.

So you just reaffirmed that you possess two solid examples of great safety's. One of which plays a completely different type of football than Berry.

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