Temper, temper, Gunther...

[Hammock Parties]

[gblowfish]

I can't help it, I'll always like Gunther.
He wasn't a good head coach, but he's a good DC. And no doubt he cares about what he's doing. He just doesn't have a lot to work with in Detroit except Suh.

[tomahawk kid]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

I can't help it, I'll always like Gunther.
He wasn't a good head coach, but he's a good DC. And no doubt he cares about what he's doing. He just doesn't have a lot to work with in Detroit except Suh.

He's a good DC - when he's got DT, Neil Smith, Mark Collins, James Hasty and Dale Carter.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

He's a good DC - when he's got DT, Neil Smith, Mark Collins, James Hasty and Dale Carter.

Can you name any good DC's that don't have good talent on the defensive side of the football - That are currently successful?

You have to have talent in this league to succeed (as for coaches). If you don't then you're just floating up shit creek w/o a paddle.

He probably wasn't the best DC, but he wasn't the worst either, regardless of what the numbers indicated while he was here as DC during his 2nd stint. We didn't have really any talent on the defensive side besides Jared Allen while he was here. DJ was inconsistent at best, we had 2 old CB's in Surtain and Law, slow safeties in Wesley, Pollard, Page. Which the latter 2 actually are decent safeties, they just shouldn't be starting.

He probably more so was a less than average talent evaluator. I mean the Siavii pick among others I'm sure, he was responsible for. That's probably where he was at his worst IMO. Letting Scott Fujita go....

[Psyko Tek]

Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

He's a good DC - when he's got DT, Neil Smith, Mark Collins, James Hasty and Dale Carter.

this
he sucked ass when he came back

picasso my ass

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

He's a good DC - when he's got DT, Neil Smith, Mark Collins, James Hasty and Dale Carter.

I think it had a LOT less to do with these guys.

A LOT more to do with Marty.

Marty has coached a world class defense every place he's been. Gunther has coached a piece of shit defense under every head coach not named Marty Schottenheimer.

Case closed.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

I can't help it, I'll always like Gunther.
He wasn't a good head coach, but he's a good DC. And no doubt he cares about what he's doing. He just doesn't have a lot to work with in Detroit except Suh.

Unfortunately, he was a bad defensive coordinator, too.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

I can't help it, I'll always like Gunther.
He wasn't a good head coach, but he's a good DC. And no doubt he cares about what he's doing. He just doesn't have a lot to work with in Detroit except Suh.

Hilarious that you criticize Haley at every turn, but you will always like Gunther.

Gunther is a garbage DC. He was a good DC when he had Neil Smith, Derrick Thomas, James Hasty and Dale Carter. If you give any DC 2 stud corners and 2 incredible pass rushers, they are going to look good.

He doesn't have much to work wtih in Detroit? Really? He has one of the best defensive lines in the NFL, and they still can't stop the run. Suh was a ready-made project and I would bet that when Gunther leaves, he will continue to progress.

Every coach in the NFL cares about what they are doing.

I'm glad that loser is far away from KC.

[gblowfish]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Hilarious that you criticize Haley at every turn, but you will always like Gunther.

Gunther is a garbage DC. He was a good DC when he had Neil Smith, Derrick Thomas, James Hasty and Dale Carter. If you give any DC 2 stud corners and 2 incredible pass rushers, they are going to look good.

He doesn't have much to work wtih in Detroit? Really? He has one of the best defensive lines in the NFL, and they still can't stop the run. Suh was a ready-made project and I would bet that when Gunther leaves, he will continue to progress.

Every coach in the NFL cares about what they are doing.

I'm glad that loser is far away from KC.

I don't "Criticize Haley at every turn." Not sure where you get that from. I've commented on some of his riverboat gambling decisions (along with just about everybody else on the CP) but I've also wished him nothing but success this year (which he's mostly had) and spoken highly of many of his decisions, especially bringing in this years coaching staff to help.

You're very much a "what have you done for me lately?" kinda guy, aren't you?

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

I don't "Criticize Haley at every turn." Not sure where you get that from. I've commented on some of his riverboat gambling decisions (along with just about everybody else on the CP) but I've also wished him nothing but success this year (which he's mostly had) and spoken highly of many of his decisions, especially bringing in this years coaching staff to help.

You're very much a "what have you done for me lately?" kinda guy, aren't you?

You're a "let's relive the glory years of 95-97" aren't you.

Gunther hasn't done anything as a d-coordinator in roughly 13 years.

Gunther sucks.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Hilarious that you criticize Haley at every turn, but you will always like Gunther.

Gunther is a garbage DC. He was a good DC when he had Neil Smith, Derrick Thomas, James Hasty and Dale Carter. If you give any DC 2 stud corners and 2 incredible pass rushers, they are going to look good.

He doesn't have much to work wtih in Detroit? Really? He has one of the best defensive lines in the NFL, and they still can't stop the run. Suh was a ready-made project and I would bet that when Gunther leaves, he will continue to progress.

Every coach in the NFL cares about what they are doing.

I'm glad that loser is far away from KC.

This.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Hilarious that you criticize Haley at every turn, but you will always like Gunther.

Gunther is a garbage DC. He was a good DC when he had Neil Smith, Derrick Thomas, James Hasty and Dale Carter. If you give any DC 2 stud corners and 2 incredible pass rushers, they are going to look good.

He doesn't have much to work wtih in Detroit? Really? He has one of the best defensive lines in the NFL, and they still can't stop the run. Suh was a ready-made project and I would bet that when Gunther leaves, he will continue to progress.

Every coach in the NFL cares about what they are doing.

I'm glad that loser is far away from KC.

I've said this before, and I will continue to say it every time the subject of ****her comes up.

No opposing OC did more to contain DT than ****her did.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by milkman

I've said this before, and I will continue to say it every time the subject of ****her comes up.

No opposing OC did more to contain DT than ****her did.

I was just getting ready to type this very thing. Was just reading the other posts to see if it had already been stated!

[ferrarispider95]

Gunther

First he didn't have his players.

Then he need to move up to the box to see more of the field

Then he needed to be down on the field to see the action

Then on the way out he blames Herm for not allowing him to run his scheme.

Kendrell Bell??? Eric Hicks??? Endorsed by Gunther.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by milkman

I've said this before, and I will continue to say it every time the subject of ****her comes up.

No opposing OC did more to contain DT than ****her did.

Falcon!