A CB in the 1st or 2nd?

Chiefnj2 · 01-31-2011, 10:04 AM

Stop one second with the gut reaction of "the secondary is fine, Flowers and Carr are good CB's and Arenas is a good nickle back." Maybe, maybe not.

The reason I'm asking is that last year after the Jets lost in the playoffs, Tannenbaum asked Ryan what he thought the team needed the most to continue to be competitive, and Rex said athletic, physical corners. He said to beat the Manning's, Rothlisberger's, Rivers' and Brady's you needed tough physical corners. Even though they had Revis, a decent pass D, and a struggling pass rush they brought in Cromartie and used a 1st round pick on Wilson.

Even though Flowers is solid, and Carr has his moments, should KC entertain using an early draft pick on a physical CB?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-31-2011, 10:06 AM

Flowers is not "solid", he's one of the best CBs in the league.
Carr is a legit top 10-15 corner at this point as well.

If you think we need more CBs, fine, but don't sell short the best part of our team.

**The Franchise** · 01-31-2011, 10:33 AM

I believe that they used a 1st round pick on Wilson because he was the BPA where they were.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-31-2011, 10:38 AM

What the Jets need more than anything is help at OLB, DT, and NT.

If you can get after the QB, you don't need to cover for 5 seconds.

Molitoth · 01-31-2011, 11:02 AM

It doesn't matter how good your coverage is... when you don't get any pressure on the QB, he's going to scan the field and dump the ball off to the RB coming out of the backfield for gains all day. See the Ravens playoff loss.

Hammock Parties · 01-31-2011, 11:04 AM

This is another reason I hate that Arenas pick.

You drafted a corner in the ****ing 2nd last year. If you believe one of the Chiefs' starting corners isn't good enough, Arenas' draft position demands he's competing for that spot. Hence, no ****ing way you should need to draft a corner high this year.

If Pioli drafts a corner in the 1st or 2nd round this year it will be proof positive he's a colossal moron.

Nightfyre · 01-31-2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ClayWhit

This is another reason I hate that Arenas pick.

You drafted a corner in the ****ing 2nd last year. If you believe one of the Chiefs' starting corners isn't good enough, Arenas' draft position demands he's competing for that spot. Hence, no ****ing way you should need to draft a corner high this year.

If Pioli drafts a corner in the 1st or 2nd round this year it will be proof positive he's a colossal moron.

Its a joke to assume a Nickel CB isn't a starter in today's league, imo. But please, continue your thoughtless blathering.

BigCatDaddy · 02-01-2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Its a joke to assume a Nickel CB isn't a starter in today's league, imo. But please, continue your thoughtless blathering.

Exactly, because like in Tecmo Bowl 90% of the plays are run from the pro set

**the Talking Can** · 01-31-2011, 12:03 PM

2/3rds of our 3-4 DL are manned by street trash....and we've drafted something like 90000 CBs safeties and TEs in the last 2 years....

let's not do that anymore..

Chiefnj2 · 01-31-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

2/3rds of our 3-4 DL are manned by street trash....and we've drafted something like 90000 CBs safeties and TEs in the last 2 years....

let's not do that anymore..

You'd take a DE in the first?

**the Talking Can** · 01-31-2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You'd take a DE in the first?

over a CB, sure

but otherwise no, I would grab a NT though

suds79 · 01-31-2011, 12:13 PM

What I find more interesting is the flawed logic Rex uses.

"to beat the Manning's, Rothlisberger's, Rivers' and Brady's you needed tough physical corners."

Wrong.

To beat the Manning's, Rothlisberger's, Rivers' and Brady's you need the next Manning, Rothlisberger, Rivers or Brady.

Simple as that.

No 2nd rounder could come in and take Carr's spot. He's a good CB.

Chiefnj2 · 01-31-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

What I find more interesting is the flawed logic Rex uses.

"to beat the Manning's, Rothlisberger's, Rivers' and Brady's you needed tough physical corners."

Wrong.

To beat the Manning's, Rothlisberger's, Rivers' and Brady's you need the next Manning, Rothlisberger, Rivers or Brady.

Simple as that.

No 2nd rounder could come in and take Carr's spot. He's a good CB.

Interesting that you think Rex's logic is flawed when he has taken a completely rebuilt team to the AFC Championship his first two years.

suds79 · 01-31-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Interesting that you think Rex's logic is flawed when he has taken a completely rebuilt team to the AFC Championship his first two years.

Yeah no doubt he's built a strong competitive team. But who keeps beating him?

Peyton Manning, Ben Rothlisberger.

Just furthers my opinion that to win a SB, you have to have a franchise, superstar QB. Everybody else is pretty much filler.

**The Franchise** · 01-31-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Yeah no doubt he's built a strong competitive team. But who keeps beating him?

Peyton Manning, Ben Rothlisberger.

Just furthers my opinion that to win a SB, you have to have a franchise, superstar QB. Everybody else is pretty much filler.

Manning didn't beat him this time.

01-31-2011, 10:04 AM	Topic Starter
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6674388	A CB in the 1st or 2nd? Stop one second with the gut reaction of "the secondary is fine, Flowers and Carr are good CB's and Arenas is a good nickle back." Maybe, maybe not. The reason I'm asking is that last year after the Jets lost in the playoffs, Tannenbaum asked Ryan what he thought the team needed the most to continue to be competitive, and Rex said athletic, physical corners. He said to beat the Manning's, Rothlisberger's, Rivers' and Brady's you needed tough physical corners. Even though they had Revis, a decent pass D, and a struggling pass rush they brought in Cromartie and used a 1st round pick on Wilson. Even though Flowers is solid, and Carr has his moments, should KC entertain using an early draft pick on a physical CB?
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7249572	Flowers is not "solid", he's one of the best CBs in the league. Carr is a legit top 10-15 corner at this point as well. If you think we need more CBs, fine, but don't sell short the best part of our team. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1000478	This is another reason I hate that Arenas pick. You drafted a corner in the **ing 2nd last year. If you believe one of the Chiefs' starting corners isn't good enough, Arenas' draft position demands he's competing for that spot. Hence, no **ing way you should need to draft a corner high this year. If Pioli drafts a corner in the 1st or 2nd round this year it will be proof positive he's a colossal moron. __________________ Chiefs game films
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the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9352208	2/3rds of our 3-4 DL are manned by street trash....and we've drafted something like 90000 CBs safeties and TEs in the last 2 years.... let's not do that anymore.. __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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01-31-2011, 12:13 PM	#12
suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	What I find more interesting is the flawed logic Rex uses. "to beat the Manning's, Rothlisberger's, Rivers' and Brady's you needed tough physical corners." Wrong. To beat the Manning's, Rothlisberger's, Rivers' and Brady's you need the next Manning, Rothlisberger, Rivers or Brady. Simple as that. No 2nd rounder could come in and take Carr's spot. He's a good CB.
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