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Old 02-02-2011, 02:24 PM   Topic Starter
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Arizona posturing for de facto seccession

File this under "nullification isn't as dead as some would like you to believe it is."


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Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so)

Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially.

Really.

It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…"

Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."

The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well.

In every legislative session in every state throughout the land there are proposals like this, usually made by a few fringe members who know their proposal has no chance but file it anyway to serve some personal or political agenda.

In this instance, legislators here -- who claim to be strict constitutionalists -- seem fairly willing to ignore what is commonly called the "supremacy clause" of the U.S. Constitution (as well as the Fourteenth Amendment), and which more or less say that federal law supersedes state law.

A state or a person can challenge such laws in court. But a state can't on its own simply declare a federal law to be unconsitutional.

Legislators who propose such things often are quietly patted on the heads and laughed off by their colleagues.

In our case, however, the legislation is being proposed by, among others, Sen. Pearce, the most powerful person in state government.

So, as wacky as the proposal is, that makes it much less of a laughing matter.

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Old 02-02-2011, 02:29 PM   #2
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The possible outcomes to this are interesting to say the least.
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Old 02-02-2011, 02:35 PM   #4
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The possible outcomes to this are interesting to say the least.
I truly believe (and have spoke about it for a long time) that in time we will see a coalition of states that adopt a similar posture in an attempt to corral the federal government.
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Old 02-02-2011, 02:45 PM   #5
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I truly believe (and have spoke about it for a long time) that in time we will see a coalition of states that adopt a similar posture in an attempt to corral the federal government.
Oh no doubt, definitely.

And this time, "lincoln" won't be able to unleash the wrath of the military on that coalition of states. That will never happen again.
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Old 02-02-2011, 06:31 PM   #6
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I truly believe (and have spoke about it for a long time) that in time we will see a coalition of states that adopt a similar posture in an attempt to corral the federal government.
Why can't you just focus on sending different congressmen to Washington? What the **** makes you think that this country should not be all in it together?
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Why can't you just focus on sending different congressmen to Washington? What the **** makes you think that this country should not be all in it together?
Yeah, that'll show em'!!!
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Yeah, that'll show em'!!!
That's how you do things in our country. Is it easy? **** no. But that's the point. Your idea of change is ignorant and vomit-inducing. **** you for your disregard of history and perspective. **** you. You barely deserve this country.
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The possible outcomes to this are interesting to say the least.
"interesting" is one way to put hundreds of thousands of American deaths.
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Call me old-fashioned. I love this country and its continuation is worth dying for, in the way that I would die for the Church, you morally-bankrupt coward.
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Something happened between 1861 and 1864. Google it, see what you find.
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Something happened in 1775-1783 too...google it and see what you find.
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Hey, you're right! This has been tried before!
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