Chiefs Welp, That Wasn't Good

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-11-2011, 06:24 PM

That looked like a bad football team that wasn’t prepared to play. That’s probably as succinct as I can be, but I do think there was a little more to it than just that.

1) The Baltimore game last year really exposed us. Since we switched to a 3-4 with OLBs who can’t cover, a number of people commented on the fact that the Chiefs would be abused by tight ends and by receiving backs. For a completely bizarre reason, no one really attempted to do it until Baltimore in last year’s WC game. They showed our complete inability to cover the TE, and Buffalo followed that script exactly. I imagine that will be a recurring problem, as none of our LBs, save for Johnson, have the ability to cover in space, and our safeties really aren’t that good at it either.

2) Some of the offensive ineptitude was due to the coordinator change, but I don’t think you can lay it all at the incompetent feet of Muir. That said, I don’t think he has any business coordinating an NFL offense, but Weis looked better than he probably was last year because Cassel’s numbers were so aberrational. His INT rate was so low, and his TD rate was so high (despite the fact that we didn’t move the ball through the air) that it made it appear as though he was far better than he was. If I were to draw an analogy to Cassel’s 2010, I’d say it was a flyball hitter who had a .380 BABIP. When he regresses this year, partially to his luck normalizing and partially due to playing a harder schedule, it will make Weis look smarter than what he was and Haley and co. look worse.

3) I wonder if the lockout actually will have the opposite of the intended effect. Perhaps the cohesive “character” teams will look worse and the “talent” teams will look better because there was so little time to instill and refine a system, so it takes on more of a sandlot aspect. It’s complete conjecture, but it’s just something that popped in my head as I watched some of the early scores trickle in.

4) Haley’s not in danger this year, but he probably should be, as the coaching situation is one entirely of his own making and the guy he fired put clown shoes on him today, while the other guy he ran off looks golden simply from a lack of association. Cassel probably goes before Haley, even though it shouldn’t be an either/or situation.

5) The clamoring for Stanzi worries me just a touch. He had a fine preseason, but he wasn’t an elite player by any means, and I think handing the reigns over to him or keeping them in Cassel’s hands could be an egregious mistake. I guess want I mean to say is this: if and when the season gets away, give him some run, but unless he does something absolutely extraordinary, don’t let his play influence your desire to go out and acquire a quarterback early.

That’s all I really have. At least…Warpaint looked good today??

**Rain Man** · 09-11-2011, 06:25 PM

I didn't really see enough of Warpaint to make a judgment.

58-4ever · 09-11-2011, 06:36 PM

Good synopsis. I would add that while our linebackers and safeties are bad, our defensive line may be worse. We are going to regret a lot of these offseason moves.

lcarus · 09-11-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 58-4ever

Good synopsis. I would add that while our linebackers and safeties are bad, our defensive line may be worse. We are going to regret a lot of these offseason moves.

I really hate looking back knowing we used a #3 overall pick on Tyson Jackson. I felt Raji was the pick to make there. I'm very hit or miss with who I feel the team should draft/sign, like most people. But I was dead on with that one.

tk13 · 09-11-2011, 06:37 PM

I wonder if the lockout is going to make the beginning of this season unpredictable. I thought the league was watered down a bit last year. There was some real sloppy football played today.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-11-2011, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I wonder if the lockout is going to make the beginning of this season unpredictable. I thought the league was watered down a bit last year. There was some real sloppy football played today.

I didn't watch any other game, but hearing the amount of turnovers that Pitt and Atlanta had, as well as the complete absence of D from the first game, I'd be inclined to agree with that sentiment.

aturnis · 09-11-2011, 06:41 PM

Good to hear from you Hamas. Hope all is good as it can be...

**DeezNutz** · 09-11-2011, 06:43 PM

Why do you hate the Chiefs?

WilliamTheIrish · 09-11-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Why do you hate the Chiefs?

**dirk digler** · 09-11-2011, 06:43 PM

Good to see you Hamas and I hope all is well with your new family.

Good analysis but I have to admit I miss the old Hamas...you gone soft

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-11-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Good to see you Hamas and I hope all is well with your new family.

Good analysis but I have to admit I miss the old Hamas...you gone soft

Oh, I've definitely gone soft.

I watched the Mizzou game on Friday night with the same kind of lobotomized acceptance.

**dirk digler** · 09-11-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Oh, I've definitely gone soft.

I watched the Mizzou game on Friday night with the same kind of lobotomized acceptance.

I know what you mean. I didn't yell at the TV once today and didn't wish bad things on the opposing team or refs

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-11-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Oh, I've definitely gone soft.

I watched the Mizzou game on Friday night with the same kind of lobotomized acceptance.

Sounds familiar.

Rosemary Kennedy would have given more of a shit than I did today. I rarely if ever leave games early, and if I do, it's with only a few minutes left.

Today?

4:00 left in the 3rd quarter.

Pretty much drove 4 hours home in a fog.

As Ron Burgandy once said, "I'm not even mad, I'm impressed."

Impressed they could even exceed my expectations of suckitude.

Hammock Parties · 09-11-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sounds familiar.

Rosemary Kennedy would have given more of a shit than I did today. I rarely if ever leave games early, and if I do, it's with only a few minutes left.

Today?

4:00 left in the 3rd quarter.

Pretty much drove 4 hours home in a fog.

As Ron Burgandy once said, "I'm not even mad, I'm impressed."

Impressed they could even exceed my expectations of suckitude.

That's incredible....you left today's the game before I left the playoff game (~10 in the 4th)

And I don't blame you one bit.

Ugh.

**notorious** · 09-11-2011, 07:24 PM

It was a very mellow defeat.

No thrown remotes, no cussing, just a few sad laughs at how pathetic the Chiefs were.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	Welp, That Wasn't Good That looked like a bad football team that wasn’t prepared to play. That’s probably as succinct as I can be, but I do think there was a little more to it than just that. 1) The Baltimore game last year really exposed us. Since we switched to a 3-4 with OLBs who can’t cover, a number of people commented on the fact that the Chiefs would be abused by tight ends and by receiving backs. For a completely bizarre reason, no one really attempted to do it until Baltimore in last year’s WC game. They showed our complete inability to cover the TE, and Buffalo followed that script exactly. I imagine that will be a recurring problem, as none of our LBs, save for Johnson, have the ability to cover in space, and our safeties really aren’t that good at it either. 2) Some of the offensive ineptitude was due to the coordinator change, but I don’t think you can lay it all at the incompetent feet of Muir. That said, I don’t think he has any business coordinating an NFL offense, but Weis looked better than he probably was last year because Cassel’s numbers were so aberrational. His INT rate was so low, and his TD rate was so high (despite the fact that we didn’t move the ball through the air) that it made it appear as though he was far better than he was. If I were to draw an analogy to Cassel’s 2010, I’d say it was a flyball hitter who had a .380 BABIP. When he regresses this year, partially to his luck normalizing and partially due to playing a harder schedule, it will make Weis look smarter than what he was and Haley and co. look worse. 3) I wonder if the lockout actually will have the opposite of the intended effect. Perhaps the cohesive “character” teams will look worse and the “talent” teams will look better because there was so little time to instill and refine a system, so it takes on more of a sandlot aspect. It’s complete conjecture, but it’s just something that popped in my head as I watched some of the early scores trickle in. 4) Haley’s not in danger this year, but he probably should be, as the coaching situation is one entirely of his own making and the guy he fired put clown shoes on him today, while the other guy he ran off looks golden simply from a lack of association. Cassel probably goes before Haley, even though it shouldn’t be an either/or situation. 5) The clamoring for Stanzi worries me just a touch. He had a fine preseason, but he wasn’t an elite player by any means, and I think handing the reigns over to him or keeping them in Cassel’s hands could be an egregious mistake. I guess want I mean to say is this: if and when the season gets away, give him some run, but unless he does something absolutely extraordinary, don’t let his play influence your desire to go out and acquire a quarterback early. That’s all I really have. At least…Warpaint looked good today??
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