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Unemployment Down! ...but for the wrong reasons

US economy adds 96K jobs, rate falls to 8.1 pct.
US economy adds 96K jobs; unemployment rate falls to 8.1 pct. as more people end job searches

WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. employers added 96,000 jobs last month, a weak figure that could slow the momentum President Barack Obama hoped to gain from his speech Thursday night to the Democratic National Convention.

The unemployment rate fell to 8.1 percent from 8.3 percent in July. But that was only because more people gave up looking for work. People who are out of work are counted as unemployed only if they're looking for a job.

The government also said Friday that 41,000 fewer jobs were created in July and June than first estimated. The economy has added just 139,000 jobs a month since the start of the year, below 2011's average of 153,000.

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Old 09-07-2012, 07:21 AM   #2
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US economy adds 96K jobs, rate falls to 8.1 pct.
US economy adds 96K jobs; unemployment rate falls to 8.1 pct. as more people end job searches

WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. employers added 96,000 jobs last month, a weak figure that could slow the momentum President Barack Obama hoped to gain from his speech Thursday night to the Democratic National Convention.

The unemployment rate fell to 8.1 percent from 8.3 percent in July. But that was only because more people gave up looking for work. People who are out of work are counted as unemployed only if they're looking for a job.

The government also said Friday that 41,000 fewer jobs were created in July and June than first estimated. The economy has added just 139,000 jobs a month since the start of the year, below 2011's average of 153,000.

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Old 09-07-2012, 07:23 AM   #3
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yep just sucks all around.

All 3 markets yesterday posted highs in expectation of a good jobs report since ADP job survey showed 200,000 jobs added
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:01 AM   #4
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yep just sucks all around.

All 3 markets yesterday posted highs in expectation of a good jobs report since ADP job survey showed 200,000 jobs added
Yep. A little surprising it was this bad.

Having nearly 4 people leave the workforce for every new person added is weak.

Looks unlikely that Obama will create any net new jobs in his first term.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:28 AM   #5
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Yep. A little surprising it was this bad.

Having nearly 4 people leave the workforce for every new person added is weak.

Looks unlikely that Obama will create any net new jobs in his first term.
It was surprising for me.

This whole job market though has me a little confused and frustrated. As someone who hires I have had a job opening for 4-5 months looking for just basic IT work in the evening that pays a good wage, 25-30k. Yet we can't fill the position and maybe have had 10 applicants.

I was thinking this would be a buyers market so I am kind of confused about all of this.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:33 AM   #6
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It was surprising for me.

This whole job market though has me a little confused and frustrated. As someone who hires I have had a job opening for 4-5 months looking for just basic IT work in the evening that pays a good wage, 25-30k. Yet we can't fill the position and maybe have had 10 applicants.

I was thinking this would be a buyers market so I am kind of confused about all of this.
I'm in the same boat. I wonder if the 99 weeks of $400-500/wk unemployment isn't really keeping job seekers from reentering the workforce. I have had 6 openings for 4 months and have only had 4 interviews to give. I hired one guy, one guy decided to be a cop and the other two were not willing to give up their search/unemployment for a $50k + traveling service engineer position. Crazy
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:40 AM   #7
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It was surprising for me.

This whole job market though has me a little confused and frustrated. As someone who hires I have had a job opening for 4-5 months looking for just basic IT work in the evening that pays a good wage, 25-30k. Yet we can't fill the position and maybe have had 10 applicants.

I was thinking this would be a buyers market so I am kind of confused about all of this.
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I'm in the same boat. I wonder if the 99 weeks of $400-500/wk unemployment isn't really keeping job seekers from reentering the workforce. I have had 6 openings for 4 months and have only had 4 interviews to give. I hired one guy, one guy decided to be a cop and the other two were not willing to give up their search/unemployment for a $50k + traveling service engineer position. Crazy
This is the main reason I am assuming the job rate will fall like a rock by 2014. By then, the workforce will have reeducated themselves enough to make themselves qualified by the new job market.

1/3 of the unemployment is caused by exactly what you are describing: mismateched job opportunities with job applicants.

That's a curve that will fix itself, studies suggest by 2014.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:43 AM   #8
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I'm in the same boat. I wonder if the 99 weeks of $400-500/wk unemployment isn't really keeping job seekers from reentering the workforce. I have had 6 openings for 4 months and have only had 4 interviews to give. I hired one guy, one guy decided to be a cop and the other two were not willing to give up their search/unemployment for a $50k + traveling service engineer position. Crazy
Wow. I didn't think they made that much on unemployment, I thought it was like $200-300. If they are making that much that would explain it.

I had another job opening that took over 6 months to hire and had probably 10-15 applicants.

It just doesn't make sense to me unless as you pointed out they are making decent money to sit on their ass.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:47 AM   #9
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I'm in the same boat. I wonder if the 99 weeks of $400-500/wk unemployment isn't really keeping job seekers from reentering the workforce. I have had 6 openings for 4 months and have only had 4 interviews to give. I hired one guy, one guy decided to be a cop and the other two were not willing to give up their search/unemployment for a $50k + traveling service engineer position. Crazy
A buddy of mine lost his job in Nov. 2011 and went on unemployment. He did some job searching around town and found that he would get at least 75%-85% of the pay from staying on unemployment and sitting on his ass all day that he would get if he went to work for 40 hours a week.

Yeah, he was a lower level employee, but if you can get by on 75-85% of a salary just sitting on your ass, it makes it hard to want to find a job.
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It was surprising for me.

This whole job market though has me a little confused and frustrated. As someone who hires I have had a job opening for 4-5 months looking for just basic IT work in the evening that pays a good wage, 25-30k. Yet we can't fill the position and maybe have had 10 applicants.

I was thinking this would be a buyers market so I am kind of confused about all of this.
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:53 PM   #11
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yep just sucks all around.

All 3 markets yesterday posted highs in expectation of a good jobs report since ADP job survey showed 200,000 jobs added
No that was really more in response to the Euros announcing they were going to do their best Ben Bernanke act and start pumping money into the European economy when they buy sovereign-nation debt of that continents countries.
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US economy adds 96K jobs, rate falls to 8.1 pct.
US economy adds 96K jobs; unemployment rate falls to 8.1 pct. as more people end job searches

WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. employers added 96,000 jobs last month, a weak figure that could slow the momentum President Barack Obama hoped to gain from his speech Thursday night to the Democratic National Convention.

The unemployment rate fell to 8.1 percent from 8.3 percent in July. But that was only because more people gave up looking for work. People who are out of work are counted as unemployed only if they're looking for a job.

The government also said Friday that 41,000 fewer jobs were created in July and June than first estimated. The economy has added just 139,000 jobs a month since the start of the year, below 2011's average of 153,000.

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Cash-short governments were a key reason the job market was weaker in June and July than first estimated. Federal, state and local governments cut 39,000 jobs in those months above the earlier estimate of 18,000. In previous recoveries, governments have typically added jobs, not shed them.

Dow Jones industrial futures, which had been up before the report, fell soon after it was released but then bounced back. And the yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note tumbled to 1.63 percent, from 1.73 percent. That suggested that investors see a slow economy resulting in more demand for low-risk investments like U.S. Treasurys.

Friday's report was discouraging throughout. Hourly pay fell, manufacturers cut the most jobs in two years and the number of people in the work force dropped to its lowest level in 31 years.

The sluggish figures make the Federal Reserve more likely to unveil a new bond-buying program at its meeting next week to try to lift the economy, said John Silvia, chief economist at Wells Fargo. The goal of the bond purchases would be to lower long-term interest rates to encourage borrowing and spending.

"This weak jobs report is going to feed into their argument that the economy is growing at a sub-par pace," Silvia said.

The report provided fodder for both presidential candidates. Soon after the report was issued, Republican nominee Mitt Romney pointed to 43 straight months in which unemployment has now exceeded 8 percent.

"President Obama just hasn't lived up to his promises, and his policies haven't worked," Romney said in a statement.

At the same time, August marked the 30th straight month of private-sector job gains, a point Obama and his allies are certain to spotlight.

Friday's jobs report is among the most politically consequential of the campaign. It arrives as the presidential race enters the final two months before Election Day. Jobs are the core issue, and the report could sway some undecided voters.

There will be two additional employment reports before the election. But by then, more Americans will have made up their minds.

In his speech Thursday night, Obama acknowledged incomplete progress in repairing the still-struggling economy and asked voters to remain patient.

"The truth is, it will take more than a few years for us to solve challenges that have built up over the decades," Obama said.

Jim O'Sullivan, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, noted that hiring has improved slightly in the past two months. Job gains averaged 119,000 in July and August, up from an average monthly gain of 67,000 in the April-June quarter.

"There's no sign of momentum fading," he said. "That said, it's not much better. ... What you're left with is an economy that's still growing, but pretty modestly."

In addition to those who've given up looking for work, many young Americans are avoiding the job market by remaining in school. All told, the proportion of the adult population that's either working or looking for work fell to 63.5 percent.

That's the lowest level in 31 years for the so-called labor force participation rate. The rate peaked at 67.3 percent in early 2000.

Paul Ashworth, chief U.S. economist at Capital Economics, says labor force participation is on a long-term slide.

"You've got the aging of the baby boom generation," Ashworth notes. "That has been greatly compounded by the effects of the recession and the slow recovery. People are just losing patience" and dropping out of the labor force.

In two or three years, though, Ashworth expects a stronger economy will encourage more Americans to seek work and will push the participation rate up. But the higher participation rates won't last once baby boomer retirements pick up, causing more people to leave the work force, he predicts.

At its meeting on Wednesday and Thursday, the Fed is expected to consider a range of options to try to help the economy. Besides bond buying, the Fed is also considering whether to extend the timetable for any increase in record-low short-term interest rates. The Fed's current plan is to maintain record-low rates until at least late 2014.

Anthony Chan, chief economist at Chase Wealth Management, says further Fed action would likely send stock prices up, making consumers feel wealthier and more willing to spend.

Average hourly wages dipped a penny in August to $23.52 and are only slightly ahead of inflation in the past year.

The average work week was unchanged in August after being revised downward in July to 34.4 hours. And the number of temporary jobs fell for the first time in five months. Both figures suggest that companies are seeing less demand for their services and need fewer workers.

Many of the jobs were in lower-paying industries such as retail, which added 6,100 jobs, and hotels, restaurants and other leisure industries, which gained 34,000. Higher-paying manufacturing jobs fell by 15,000, the most in two years.

The manufacturing losses might have been skewed by seasonal distortions. More than half the job losses were in the auto industry. Fewer automakers shut down plants this summer to capitalize on greater demand for cars and trucks. As a result, fewer workers were temporarily laid off in July, and so fewer were called back to work in August.

The weak pace of hiring is the latest sign that businesses are reluctant to make big investments or add more workers. Europe's financial crisis has pushed the region's economy to the edge of recession. And a set of tax hikes and spending cuts scheduled to take effect at the beginning of the year have created uncertainty about future growth.

No president since Franklin D. Roosevelt during the Great Depression has been re-elected with a jobless rate over 8 percent. This year's election will likely turn on whether voters see the economy as improving or remaining stagnant or getting worse under Obama.
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Cash-short governments were a key reason the job market was weaker in June and July than first estimated. Federal, state and local governments cut 39,000 jobs in those months above the earlier estimate of 18,000. In previous recoveries, governments have typically added jobs, not shed them.

Dow Jones industrial futures, which had been up before the report, fell soon after it was released but then bounced back. And the yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note tumbled to 1.63 percent, from 1.73 percent. That suggested that investors see a slow economy resulting in more demand for low-risk investments like U.S. Treasurys.

Friday's report was discouraging throughout. Hourly pay fell, manufacturers cut the most jobs in two years and the number of people in the work force dropped to its lowest level in 31 years.

The sluggish figures make the Federal Reserve more likely to unveil a new bond-buying program at its meeting next week to try to lift the economy, said John Silvia, chief economist at Wells Fargo. The goal of the bond purchases would be to lower long-term interest rates to encourage borrowing and spending.

"This weak jobs report is going to feed into their argument that the economy is growing at a sub-par pace," Silvia said.

The report provided fodder for both presidential candidates. Soon after the report was issued, Republican nominee Mitt Romney pointed to 43 straight months in which unemployment has now exceeded 8 percent.

"President Obama just hasn't lived up to his promises, and his policies haven't worked," Romney said in a statement.

At the same time, August marked the 30th straight month of private-sector job gains, a point Obama and his allies are certain to spotlight.

Friday's jobs report is among the most politically consequential of the campaign. It arrives as the presidential race enters the final two months before Election Day. Jobs are the core issue, and the report could sway some undecided voters.

There will be two additional employment reports before the election. But by then, more Americans will have made up their minds.

In his speech Thursday night, Obama acknowledged incomplete progress in repairing the still-struggling economy and asked voters to remain patient.

"The truth is, it will take more than a few years for us to solve challenges that have built up over the decades," Obama said.

Jim O'Sullivan, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, noted that hiring has improved slightly in the past two months. Job gains averaged 119,000 in July and August, up from an average monthly gain of 67,000 in the April-June quarter.

"There's no sign of momentum fading," he said. "That said, it's not much better. ... What you're left with is an economy that's still growing, but pretty modestly."

In addition to those who've given up looking for work, many young Americans are avoiding the job market by remaining in school. All told, the proportion of the adult population that's either working or looking for work fell to 63.5 percent.

That's the lowest level in 31 years for the so-called labor force participation rate. The rate peaked at 67.3 percent in early 2000.

Paul Ashworth, chief U.S. economist at Capital Economics, says labor force participation is on a long-term slide.

"You've got the aging of the baby boom generation," Ashworth notes. "That has been greatly compounded by the effects of the recession and the slow recovery. People are just losing patience" and dropping out of the labor force.

In two or three years, though, Ashworth expects a stronger economy will encourage more Americans to seek work and will push the participation rate up. But the higher participation rates won't last once baby boomer retirements pick up, causing more people to leave the work force, he predicts.

At its meeting on Wednesday and Thursday, the Fed is expected to consider a range of options to try to help the economy. Besides bond buying, the Fed is also considering whether to extend the timetable for any increase in record-low short-term interest rates. The Fed's current plan is to maintain record-low rates until at least late 2014.

Anthony Chan, chief economist at Chase Wealth Management, says further Fed action would likely send stock prices up, making consumers feel wealthier and more willing to spend.

Average hourly wages dipped a penny in August to $23.52 and are only slightly ahead of inflation in the past year.

The average work week was unchanged in August after being revised downward in July to 34.4 hours. And the number of temporary jobs fell for the first time in five months. Both figures suggest that companies are seeing less demand for their services and need fewer workers.

Many of the jobs were in lower-paying industries such as retail, which added 6,100 jobs, and hotels, restaurants and other leisure industries, which gained 34,000. Higher-paying manufacturing jobs fell by 15,000, the most in two years.

The manufacturing losses might have been skewed by seasonal distortions. More than half the job losses were in the auto industry. Fewer automakers shut down plants this summer to capitalize on greater demand for cars and trucks. As a result, fewer workers were temporarily laid off in July, and so fewer were called back to work in August.

The weak pace of hiring is the latest sign that businesses are reluctant to make big investments or add more workers. Europe's financial crisis has pushed the region's economy to the edge of recession. And a set of tax hikes and spending cuts scheduled to take effect at the beginning of the year have created uncertainty about future growth.

No president since Franklin D. Roosevelt during the Great Depression has been re-elected with a jobless rate over 8 percent. This year's election will likely turn on whether voters see the economy as improving or remaining stagnant or getting worse under Obama.
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