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Old 09-23-2012, 09:06 AM   Topic Starter
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Just saw my first Obama non-attack ad

I live near Iowa and watch their local stations so I've seen a lot of ads.

I finally saw an Obama ad that didn't attack Romney, instead it focused on how bad things were when Obama came to office and how Obama is leading us to the promised land. Forward.

Anyway, one line in the ad states Obama will continue to support (throw your tax dollars) towards green energy.

WTF? Didn't we already learn this lesson? If green energy is going to succeed it only should in the open market.

Obama's elitist policies and call to kill the coal industry should be reason enough for him not to be re-elected. We can't kill our cheapest form of energy and expect to compete in the global economy.

I find it amazing some are still buying his snake oil.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:16 AM   #2
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:17 AM   #3
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:22 AM   #4
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So you support 0 government investment in green technology?

We'll just wait around for the Chinese to control every aspect of the green sector (current on pace to kick everyone's ass in solar) and then hand more money over to them. Step two = bitching about the Chinese controlling the green sector and wondering why we didn't do more.
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:15 AM   #5
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So you support 0 government investment in green technology?

We'll just wait around for the Chinese to control every aspect of the green sector (current on pace to kick everyone's ass in solar) and then hand more money over to them. Step two = bitching about the Chinese controlling the green sector and wondering why we didn't do more.
I don't support killing an industry that will provide us cheap energy for several lifetimes while at the same time throw money towards an energy source that at best is just a supplement. Especially with our debt.

The administration has proven government shouldn't be in the business of picking winners and losers.
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:47 AM   #6
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So you support 0 government investment in green technology?

We'll just wait around for the Chinese to control every aspect of the green sector (current on pace to kick everyone's ass in solar) and then hand more money over to them. Step two = bitching about the Chinese controlling the green sector and wondering why we didn't do more.
How so?
Unless they've had some huge breakthrough in the efficiency of photovoltaic cells they're no further along than we are.
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:09 PM   #7
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So you support 0 government investment in green technology?

We'll just wait around for the Chinese to control every aspect of the green sector (current on pace to kick everyone's ass in solar) and then hand more money over to them. Step two = bitching about the Chinese controlling the green sector and wondering why we didn't do more.
China has a parasitic economy that is export driven. If they are going to dominate any market it's because the barrier to entry is low and they can produce average to low quality products in volume. Solar is not high tech. It's a big fairy tail to think it is. If some genius scientist can figure out how to make it much more efficient then that might change the equation but until then it's just a function of low tech labor and economies of scale.

To put it another way. We aren't ceding the cheap sunglasses market eventhough you can buy two pair of Ray Ban knockoffs in Shanghai for $3 (Which I've done).
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:24 AM   #8
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:19 AM   #9
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It's common sense. Unless you throw everything out the window that scientists have proven.
If common sense is putting yourself at a disadvantage when you're already 16T in debt and growing, you need to reevaluate the definition of 'common sense'.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:27 AM   #10
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Anyway, one line in the ad states Obama will continue to support (throw your tax dollars) towards green energy.

WTF? Didn't we already learn this lesson? If green energy is going to succeed it only should in the open market.
Sure, lets sit on our hands and let the Chinese get a monopoly on that market. Go America!
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Old 09-23-2012, 03:36 PM   #11
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Link? The Chinese are investing in green technology?
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Old 09-23-2012, 05:36 PM   #12
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Link? The Chinese are investing in green technology?
Google this: Chinese green technology
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:01 PM   #13
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:52 PM   #14
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Great story Bro

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I'm not quite sure what you're talking about, but I'm fairly sure I'm not going to read a blog. What I recommended was googling and finding the infinite amount of hits that talk about Chinese and the green energy market.
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