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Old 09-24-2012, 09:22 PM   Topic Starter
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Mitt Romney on Problems with Airplanes

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ďWhen you have a fire in an aircraft, thereís no place to go, exactly,Ē he told the LA Times. ďAnd you canít find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows donít open. I donít know why they donít do that. Itís a real problem.Ē
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:23 PM   #2
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:24 PM   #3
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:41 PM   #4
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Jesus. Ok let's end this crap right now.

ANYONE HERE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS FOR WHEN THERE IS AN ONBOARD FIRE ON A COMMERCIAL AIRLINER AND THE SMOKE GETS TOO HEAVY TO ALLOW THE PILOT TO FUNCTION?

You drop altitude, lower speed then....



...open a window.

You people watch too many movies. People ALMOST NEVER get sucked out of a plane due to explosive decompression.

In this instance, I'm sure the pilot didn't need to go to the last resort of evacuating the smoke and the people on board are probably just whiny pussies and the problem was nowhere near as bad as it was made out to be.

BUT Romney's statement is only dumb to a certain degree because the pilot can "open a window" but obviously you don't want to give that option to the passengers.

EDIT: this is for when the fire is INSIDE the cockpit which was the case here and is most often the case actually. also, to be clear, it's the absolute LAST RESORT and I'm not even sure there is a smoke evacuation port on all planes but I know many have one.

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Old 09-24-2012, 10:26 PM   #5
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Jesus. Ok let's end this crap right now.

ANYONE HERE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS FOR WHEN THERE IS AN ONBOARD FIRE ON A COMMERCIAL AIRLINER AND THE SMOKE GETS TOO HEAVY TO ALLOW THE PILOT TO FUNCTION?

You drop altitude, lower speed then....



...open a window.

You people watch too many movies. People ALMOST NEVER get sucked out of a plane due to explosive decompression.

In this instance, I'm sure the pilot didn't need to go to the last resort of evacuating the smoke and the people on board are probably just whiny pussies and the problem was nowhere near as bad as it was made out to be.

BUT Romney's statement is only dumb to a certain degree because the pilot can "open a window" but obviously you don't want to give that option to the passengers.

EDIT: this is for when the fire is INSIDE the cockpit which was the case here and is most often the case actually. also, to be clear, it's the absolute LAST RESORT and I'm not even sure there is a smoke evacuation port on all planes but I know many have one.

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Old 09-24-2012, 10:48 PM   #6
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You do know I went to University of Michigan for Aerospace Engineering and have dozens of hours in American Airline's flight simulators, right? Funny side note: the AA thing is unrelated to my college career. The dad of my best friend in high school was a senior pilot and some sort of head of training at AA so we got to go up there and fly the simulators. That was fun as shit! His dad would throw all sorts of shit at us. Near misses with other planes, near misses with military jets, wind shear... first thing I learned... when you are slightly off center on your approach to land... don't BANK to adjust... YAW DAMMIT! YAW! or just go back around...

Anyway, cosmo, you want to doubt my knowledge on the subject?

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Old 09-24-2012, 10:50 PM   #7
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You do know I went to University of Michigan for Aerospace Engineering and have dozens of hours in American Airline's flight simulators, right? Funny side note: the AA thing is unrelated to my college career. The dad of my best friend in high school was a senior pilot and some sort of head of training at AA so we got to go up there and fly the simulators. That was fun as shit! His dad would throw all sorts of shit at us. Near misses with other planes, near misses with military jets, wind shear... first thing I learned... when you are slightly off center on your approach to land... don't BANK to adjust... YAW DAMMIT! YAW! or just go back around...

Anyway, cosmo, you want to doubt my knowledge on the subject?

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Now wait. Are you telling me that we should accept your knowledge on this matter because you flew in a simulator? Did they have windows?
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:02 PM   #8
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Now wait. Are you telling me that we should accept your knowledge on this matter because you flew in a simulator? Did they have windows?
ha, not because I flew in a simulator, that was to illustrate the fact that I may know a little something about this field. And no the simulators did not have actual windows, although they are quite realistic on the inside except for the back area where the controller sits. Of course I spent all my time in two simulators so I can't speak for all the of them out there. but you know what IS in the simulator? The emergency checklist which tells you what to do in the event of fire. Not a fire in the simulator, mind you, but in a real plane.. not sure what I'd have done if the simulator caught fire. I probably should have mentioned also having been in countless commercial cockpits (but that just opens myself up for all sorts of dirty comments).
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:08 PM   #9
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You do know I went to University of Michigan for Aerospace Engineering and have dozens of hours in American Airline's flight simulators, right? Funny side note: the AA thing is unrelated to my college career. The dad of my best friend in high school was a senior pilot and some sort of head of training at AA so we got to go up there and fly the simulators. That was fun as shit! His dad would throw all sorts of shit at us. Near misses with other planes, near misses with military jets, wind shear... first thing I learned... when you are slightly off center on your approach to land... don't BANK to adjust... YAW DAMMIT! YAW! or just go back around...

Anyway, cosmo, you want to doubt my knowledge on the subject?

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Oh, I'd never, ever, doubt you. It's just that I've noticed that there does seem to be a single subject on which you do not present yourself as anything less than a bona fide expert. No matter the topic, we can count on a lengthy and weird explanation from you.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:36 PM   #10
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Oh, I'd never, ever, doubt you. It's just that I've noticed that there does seem to be a single subject on which you do not present yourself as anything less than a bona fide expert. No matter the topic, we can count on a lengthy and weird explanation from you.
HAHA, I can see that.. but that is really a perception bias thing.. I simply don't get into a lot of conversations where I am not well versed on the subject. There are always exceptions of course. Let's say there was some thread that was related to art and politics.. I can't imagine any aspect I would consider myself knowledgeable in regarding art... I may put my opinions out there but you certainly wouldn't see me offer any "expertise."
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:19 PM   #11
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You do know I went to University of Michigan for Aerospace Engineering and have dozens of hours in American Airline's flight simulators, right? Funny side note: the AA thing is unrelated to my college career. The dad of my best friend in high school was a senior pilot and some sort of head of training at AA so we got to go up there and fly the simulators. That was fun as shit! His dad would throw all sorts of shit at us. Near misses with other planes, near misses with military jets, wind shear... first thing I learned... when you are slightly off center on your approach to land... don't BANK to adjust... YAW DAMMIT! YAW! or just go back around...

Anyway, cosmo, you want to doubt my knowledge on the subject?

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Old 09-24-2012, 11:41 PM   #12
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You do know it is possible for people on this board to actually have a certain amount of experiences and knowledge outside of your own, right? Dane gets a lot of flack but I have yet to see him post anything that he truly doesn't have experience and knowledge of.

So, if this was meant as a slight... I certainly don't take it as one.
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:48 AM   #13
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You people watch too many movies. People ALMOST NEVER get sucked out of a plane due to explosive decompression.
That's true. They get blown out.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:38 PM   #14
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That's true. They get blown out.
Well technically it is the exact same thing. And in reality .. you'd have to be RIGHT next to the open hole or it would have to be below you for you to get "blown" out of a plane. The idea is mostly Hollywood nonsense. It's like the idea that if you were in space (or on mars) your body would explode or some craziness. No, you'd simply pass out from lack of air. Which would not take the standard few minutes by more like 10-20 seconds since the lack of pressure will cause the oxygen to start getting pulled out of the blood actively.
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Well technically it is the exact same thing. And in reality .. you'd have to be RIGHT next to the open hole or it would have to be below you for you to get "blown" out of a plane. The idea is mostly Hollywood nonsense. It's like the idea that if you were in space (or on mars) your body would explode or some craziness. No, you'd simply pass out from lack of air. Which would not take the standard few minutes by more like 10-20 seconds since the lack of pressure will cause the oxygen to start getting pulled out of the blood actively.
Dude, ya don't know shit. I once flew on a commercial airliner.
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