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Old 09-27-2012, 08:22 AM   Topic Starter
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Why I'm Struggling with the Idea of Voting for Romney

I'll say it -- I like him personally and I like him politically. I think he's smart and can be an effective leader. There are things I like about Obama, but things I dislike. As our deficit/debt balloons, I put increasing importance in reining it in.

But when the test comes, Republicans CONSISTENTLY ignore the deficit and instead focus their attention on social issues -- which are diametrically opposed to my positions on such issues.

This article well summarizes why I find it hard to vote for Romney. I'm still undecided, FWIW.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/26/opinio...html?hpt=hp_t2
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:23 AM   #2
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Note, btw, that Romney is also the greatest flip-flopper in political history. In my book Republicans can't accuse any other candidate for being a flip-flopper for the next 2 or 3 elections, at least. It's a joke for them to do otherwise given their selection of Romney.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:26 AM   #3
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Note, btw, that Romney is also the greatest flip-flopper in political history. In my book Republicans can't accuse any other candidate for being a flip-flopper for the next 2 or 3 elections, at least. It's a joke for them to do otherwise given their selection of Romney.
I can, i've stated emphatically he was a major flip flopper from the beginning. He would have been better served in the other party.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:42 AM   #4
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Note, btw, that Romney is also the greatest flip-flopper in political history. In my book Republicans can't accuse any other candidate for being a flip-flopper for the next 2 or 3 elections, at least. It's a joke for them to do otherwise given their selection of Romney.
Again, we should compare the two candidates. I won't deny that Romney's positions have changed over time, but the same is true of Obama. And I'd argue that Obama's flip flops are at least as egregious and plentiful as Romney's.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:46 AM   #5
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Again, we should compare the two candidates. I won't deny that Romney's positions have changed over time, but the same is true of Obama. And I'd argue that Obama's flip flops are at least as egregious and plentiful as Romney's.
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Again, we should compare the two candidates. I won't deny that Romney's positions have changed over time, but the same is true of Obama. And I'd argue that Obama's flip flops are at least as egregious and plentiful as Romney's.

You can argue Obama's "flip flops" on things like Guantanamo Bay, but I'd suggest it's more idealism colliding with reality once additional facts are discovered.

Romney has taken 180 degree turns for simple political expediencies sake. MULTIPLE times. Going from pro choice to anti abortion, going from RomneyCare to bucking ObamaCare to waffling on ObamaCare, the list is pretty endless. Seriously, there's no comparison.
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You can argue Obama's "flip flops" on things like Guantanamo Bay, but I'd suggest it's more idealism colliding with reality once additional facts are discovered.

Romney has taken 180 degree turns for simple political expediencies sake. MULTIPLE times. Going from pro choice to anti abortion, going from RomneyCare to bucking ObamaCare to waffling on ObamaCare, the list is pretty endless. Seriously, there's no comparison.
This isn't really true. Romney went from pro-choice to anti-abortion when he was still a Massachusetts politician and that can't be politically expedient. Romney's position on Obamacare hasn't changed from "bucking" to "waffling". He's been opposed to Obamacare but in favor of some of the reforms in Obamacare all along.

On the other hand, you can't tell me that closing Gitmo (and the headaches that would have created) or holding high profile terror trials in the heart of NYC would have ended up being popular for Obama.
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Note, btw, that Romney is also the greatest flip-flopper in political history. In my book Republicans can't accuse any other candidate for being a flip-flopper for the next 2 or 3 elections, at least. It's a joke for them to do otherwise given their selection of Romney.
If the President of the United States is a representative of the people, why shouldn't he be able to change his mind on key issues? He should represent the peoples wishes, not his own ideals. (Not saying Romney believes this, because his 47% statement may indicate that he's not trying to appease that group, just sayin')
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Note, btw, that Romney is also the greatest flip-flopper in political history. In my book Republicans can't accuse any other candidate for being a flip-flopper for the next 2 or 3 elections, at least. It's a joke for them to do otherwise given their selection of Romney.
Thats how you say him talk about the 47% to the rich, talk about Romney care in from of mine workers. Says a blind trust is just a bookeeping ruse, then later I didnt know about that.

For abortion, gay rights and now zilch etc.etc.

Romeny seems like a boring but good guy, he does walk the walk with his religion. But being a nice guy doesnt make you a good president.

I was less worried about a Romeny presidency cause I knew he would flip flop and compromise with the Dems and fight the tea party but he gave me nothing to work with against Obama. A $5 trillion tax cut weighted towards the rich. $2 trillion in increased military spending with no details on how he's going to pay for it?
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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I'll agree about liking the guy personally.

But even if I weren't unabashedly liberal, it's hard to like a guy's politics when, as you've said, he's clearly disingenuous and the major knock you've cited on Obama, the deficit, Romney has unclear plans towards and a party with a less than stellar track record on it.

The major reason I can think of clearly endorsing Romney over Obama if I were an independent, and again I'm definitely not, is that the Republican Party would bring the ball back under a Republican President. Under Obama, we're likely facing another four years of them taking it home.
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If fiscal considerations are your primary concern, Amno, which candidate do you think will do a better job in that regard?
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If fiscal considerations are your primary concern, Amno, which candidate do you think will do a better job in that regard?
Definitely not the one who is insisting on more give aways to the top earners.
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Definitely not the one who is insisting on more give aways to the top earners.
Who told you that? Obama?
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Who told you that? Obama?
No, that comes from the few details that Mittens has released on his tax policy.
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No, that comes from the few details that Mittens has released on his tax policy.
And what are those details? Link?
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