Obama election staffers have no problem with vote early and vote often.

[jjjayb]

[mnchiefsguy]

But we don't need to show ID at the polls, Direckshun said so......

[Brainiac]

If you don't vote at least twice for Obama, you're a racist.

[La literatura]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

But we don't need to show ID at the polls, Direckshun said so......

Did you watch the videos? Voter ID requirements wouldn't seem to prevent the type of fraud the videos show.

Actually, I think Direckshun and other opponents of voter ID requirements have been more than willing to acknowledge that fraud, although not occurring to a significant degree in-person, can be widespread through absentee and mail-in ballots.

Don't be stupid.

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by Literature

Did you watch the videos? Voter ID requirements wouldn't seem to prevent the type of fraud the videos show.

Actually, I think Direckshun and other opponents of voter ID requirements have been more than willing to acknowledge that fraud, although not occurring to a significant degree in-person, can be widespread through absentee and mail-in ballots.

Don't be stupid.

But registering by mail does allow illegal voting because no ID is ever required. And do you think these same staffers, who think nothing of voting twice, wouldn't allow someone to register without ID?

[La literatura]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

But registering by mail does allow illegal voting because no ID is ever required. And do you think these same staffers, who think nothing of voting twice, wouldn't allow someone to register without ID?

I think you are conflating two different things: 1) voting and 2) registering to vote.

As you just acknowledged, you don't need a photo ID to register to vote. You fill out a form provided by the state and mail it in. You need to write either your driver's license or the last four digits of your SS on the form and swear that you are able to vote.

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by Literature

I think you are conflating two different things: 1) voting and 2) registering to vote.

As you just acknowledged, you don't need a photo ID to register to vote. You fill out a form provided by the state and mail it in. You need to write either your driver's license or the last four digits of your SS on the form and swear that you are able to vote.

Oh, yes. I swear, I'm eligible to vote! I would never lie about that!

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by Literature

I think you are conflating two different things: 1) voting and 2) registering to vote.

As you just acknowledged, you don't need a photo ID to register to vote. You fill out a form provided by the state and mail it in. You need to write either your driver's license or the last four digits of your SS on the form and swear that you are able to vote.

Funny, because here is a copy of the first registration by mail from I found when searching google. It is from Wisconsin.

http://gab.wi.gov/sites/default/file...illa_89481.pdf

Notice anything? Oh, the spot to check for "i don't have a license or ssn.".

[HonestChieffan]

I just looked at Iowas process. You can register by mail and you can use either drivers lic number or SS number to register. With all the phoney SS numbers out there id bet its easy to slip through. And the lead time is 10 days so you know the verification process is less than complete

[La literatura]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

I just looked at Iowas process. You can register by mail and you can use either drivers lic number or SS number to register. With all the phoney SS numbers out there id bet its easy to slip through. And the lead time is 10 days so you know the verification process is less than complete

So let's talk about voter registration fraud, then!

What's your solution for a fair voting registration system? A DNA database? Stricter penalties to disincentivize fraud? A year long waiting process so the bureaucratic system can check multiple forms of evidence for everyone that registers?

[La literatura]

Or is there a reason the Republicans on this forum don't want to deal with voter registration fraud?

[jjjayb]

Oh no. Let's deal with it. I disagree with allowing 3rd party groups to have registration drives. As you can see from both Republicans now and Democrats, it leads to fraud. See, some of us have principles that aren't defined by party line.

[La literatura]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

Oh no. Let's deal with it. I disagree with allowing 3rd party groups to have registration drives. As you can see from both Republicans now and Democrats, it leads to fraud. See, some of us have principles that aren't defined by party line.

And your solution to dealing with it is to ban 3rd parties from doing registration drives? Leave it just to the parties?

[La literatura]

One poster says to me: "Voter ID laws are not intended to disenfranchise anyone, stupid."

The voting ID laws were designed to disenfranchise minorities, old people, and poor people who tend to vote Democratic. The argument of In-Person Voter Fraud was a pretext for that underlying design.

A similar thing occurred in the Jim Crow era. Measures were enacted that established literacy levels or property requirements to vote. Nobody said, "We are enacting this law to stop the blacks from voting." Instead, they said things like "We just want a smart electorate to decide who should be the leaders of our state/city/etc" or "Property gives people a stake in the community. Propertyless people don't have a stake, so they don't care to make a good decision." These concerns were pretexts for the underlying design to stop black people from having a say in elections.

You people are aware of this history, correct? This was taught in your school, right? You've read some books about American political history and pretextual measures, right?

[RNR]

Originally Posted by Literature

The voting ID laws were designed to disenfranchise minorities, old people, and poor people who tend to vote Democratic. The argument of In-Person Voter Fraud was a pretext for that underlying design.

As I have said, if you cannot produce a photo ID you suck at life. Those people have bigger problems than voting. I support their rights but have no problem admitting I would rather the did not vote or reproduce for that matter~