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Old 10-19-2012, 09:55 AM   Topic Starter
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If Romney wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college..

Would it be time to abolish the electoral college for good?
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:03 AM   #2
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For the longest time, I figured it would be the other way around with him losing the popular and winning the electoral. The debates have changed my line of thinking.

But to answer your question, probably yeah. It's probably needed to be done away with/retooled for quite some time, anyway.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:13 AM   #3
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:01 PM   #4
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For the longest time, I figured it would be the other way around with him losing the popular and winning the electoral. The debates have changed my line of thinking.

But to answer your question, probably yeah. It's probably needed to be done away with/retooled for quite some time, anyway.
Yep. Been an advocate of this for some time.

Every vote counts! Fortunately only in your state.

BTA, an amendment to the effect that that you add 2 ECV to a pool for each state, a bonus as you will, winner of of the National vote takes the 100 votes!
Then the problem will probably solve itself, chances of anybody ever winning one vote and losing the other goes out the window.

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Old 10-19-2012, 10:12 AM   #5
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:13 AM   #6
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:18 AM   #7
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We will always have state by state electoral college because it gives more power to smaller population states. To amend the constitution you need 2/3 house and senate to get a resolution to the states and then you need 3/4 of the states ratifying.

You could get 2/3 house but it is unlikely that 2/3 of senators would go for that because more than 1/3 of them prefer that their state gets disproportionate power.

More than 1/4 of states benefit from the disproportionate power so it would never get ratified by 3/4 of states.

IMO, the only way an amendment affecting the electoral college would happen is if faithless electors changed the election result from the result accepted on election day. all that amendment would do is turn the electoral votes into intangibles and not have them be designated people.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:15 AM   #8
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IMO, the only way an amendment affecting the electoral college would happen is if faithless electors changed the election result from the result accepted on election day. all that amendment would do is turn the electoral votes into intangibles and not have them be designated people.
Agreed.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:19 AM   #9
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:42 AM   #10
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:59 AM   #11
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:19 AM   #12
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Too many colleges have too much power. We need to change that. Like Iowa state for example. And KSU doesn't have enough.

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Old 10-19-2012, 11:23 AM   #13
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:26 AM   #14
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It would be the strongest argument for its abolishment. The typical argument is that the EC provides a voice for the small states in the Presidential Electoral processs. If Obama were to lose the popular vote but win the EC, he would do so carrying two of the most heavily populated regions of the country (New England/New York State, California, West Coast). An argument could be made that the EC no longer provides a voice in the electoral process for smaller states like MT, ID, etc.

Not saying that that is my personal argument, or that it would happen. I highly doubt it, but it would come up for discussion.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:35 PM   #15
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It would be the strongest argument for its abolishment. The typical argument is that the EC provides a voice for the small states in the Presidential Electoral processs. If Obama were to lose the popular vote but win the EC, he would do so carrying two of the most heavily populated regions of the country (New England/New York State, California, West Coast). An argument could be made that the EC no longer provides a voice in the electoral process for smaller states like MT, ID, etc.

Not saying that that is my personal argument, or that it would happen. I highly doubt it, but it would come up for discussion.
I hate the EC. I don't feel like my vote means shit with it. As I'm sure the average voter in most of the mid country states also feel.

I'm tired of the argument that it gives smaller states more power. It doesn't.
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