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Old 10-26-2012, 08:19 AM   Topic Starter
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Amendment introduced, 29 extra electoral votes to popular vote winner.

Obviously, never going to pass.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...lectoral-votes

Dem's amendment would give 29 more electoral votes to popular vote winner
By Jonathan Easley
10/26/12 08:39 AM ET

The head of the House Democratic campaign arm this week proposed a Constitutional amendment that would give the winner of the popular vote in the presidential race an additional 29 electoral votes.

Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) did not offer an explanation in the joint resolution filed in the House why he was proposing to change the way elections in the U.S. are decided.

Under the Constitution, the candidate who wins at least 270 electoral votes wins the presidency regardless of the popular vote.

The prospect of a split between the popular vote and the Electoral College usually provokes cries of abolishing the Electoral College completely, but rather than simplifying the process, Israel’s resolution would add an additional level of intrigue to the electoral puzzle.

Swing states would still retain their importance in the Electoral College, but the additional 29 delegates awarded to the popular vote winner would fundamentally alter the focus of the campaigns. Candidates would have to target voters in states they have no chance of winning, as well as in states they have no chance of losing.

One of the primary criticisms of the Electoral College is that it puts outsized importance on the horserace aspect of the election in the battleground states, as voters in the majority of the country tune out. If Israel’s amendment were to become law, voters in deeply blue and red states would still have participate in the election to secure for their candidate the popular vote prize.

Most analysts believe the 2012 election will be decides by fewer than 29 Electoral College votes.

The timing of the resolution from Israel, the head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, is curious since there is increasing speculation that for the fifth time in history, the 2012 presidential election could result in a split between the popular vote and Electoral College decision. And in this case, most of the speculation has been that President Obama might win the Electoral College while losing the popular vote.

According to the Real Clear Politics average of polls, Mitt Romney has 47.9 percent support nationally over President Obama at 47. But the Obama campaign has consistently touted its “wider path to victory” through the Electoral College, and the president appears to have a small lead in the handful of battleground states whose Electoral College votes will determine the outcome of the election.

Several U.S. races have ended with the lower of the popular vote winning the Electoral College.

A split most recently happened in 2000 when Republican George W. Bush won the most electoral votes but lost the popular vote to Vice President Al Gore.

If approved, Israel’s measure would apply with respect to any presidential election held after a one-year period that would begin on the date of its ratification.

The amendment must be ratified by three-fourths of the states to become law.

Here’s the text of the measure:

“In an election for President and Vice President, after the popular vote has been counted and electors have been appointed in each of the several States and the District constituting the seat of Government of the United States, each State and the District shall report the total number of popular votes cast for each of the candidates,” Israel’s joint resolution reads. “The candidate receiving the largest percentage of the total popular vote as reported by the several States and the District shall receive 29 electoral votes in addition to those cast by the Electors chosen by the several States and the District. These votes shall not be considered votes cast by Electors and shall not affect the total number of votes necessary to constitute a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed.”
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:23 AM   #2
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:23 AM   #3
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:24 AM   #4
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:27 AM   #5
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Looks like the communists (democrats) are already starting their sore loser act.
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:29 AM   #6
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:14 AM   #7
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Looks like the communists (democrats) are already starting their sore loser act.
If anything, I see us non-bible thumping hypocrites (democrats) as losing the popular vote and winning the electoral not the other way around.
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:48 PM   #8
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Looks like the communists (democrats) are already starting their sore loser act.
Hyperbole aside, why would they be touting a plan which in this case would hurt them and in the future be just as likely to hurt them as help?
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Horrible idea. If you're doing this you may as well just scrap the electoral college. The electoral college was framed in mind that smaller states are represented and that the individual states have a say in who is chosen President. It protects against a regional candidate taking over.

Every candidate that won the popular vote and lost the election was flawed. Gore won most of his majority in California and New York. Cleveland had six southern states overwhelmingly vote for him for setting tarriffs that would help their states. The Tilden v Hayes election was full of fraud and voter intimidation. The Quincy Adams victory over Jackson was due to a larger vote from state legislatures who voted directly for their electoral college preference.

The electoral college has done what it is supposed to do. Perhaps many do not like the representation of having states winner take all. That could be solved by states moving to the system used in Maine and Nebraska where each congressional EC vote is up for selection. I believe that would get even more people out to vote as highly partisan states would have a chance for the other party to be represented.

With that states would also need the non-partisan Iowa system of setting districts so they are no longer cherry picked for the legislature in charge to set all districts favoring their party.
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Imagine if a candidate wins by like 25 electoral votes...but the other guy gets the 29 because he\she won the popular vote by like 10,000 votes or something...

I dunno. It's scary messing around with the system, as screwy as it is.

And yeah, what's with the magic number 29?
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Ever the conservative I would consider 1 electoral vote for the popular vote to prevent the 269-269 tie that is possible today but not 29.
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Ever the conservative I would consider 1 electoral vote for the popular vote to prevent the 269-269 tie that is possible today but not 29.
This makes more sense IMO.
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Ever the conservative I would consider 1 electoral vote for the popular vote to prevent the 269-269 tie that is possible today but not 29.
This seems like a better idea to me, but I'm not sure we have a problem that needs to be solved in the first place.
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