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Old 10-31-2012, 11:48 AM   Topic Starter
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Do you think Heaven exists?

As some of you may know or not I lost my mom 3 weeks ago and I am sort of struggling with my beliefs with this. She wanted to die so she could go to Heaven instead of getting her colon out. She definitely believed in Heaven and I honestly hope she wasn't disappointed.

My heart wants to believe in Heaven for the simple fact I want to see her again along with my grandma and sometime in the near future my dad.

My head tells me logically that there is probably no heaven and I get a little upset when people say she is in a better place because I really want to say Is she or how do you know?

So I am curious what you guys\gals believe and I am wondering outside of what the bible says has there been anything you have witnessed or experienced that lead you to believe one way or another?



Edit: I do appreciate all the kind words of support it does mean alot but I am not wanting this to be a sympathy thread so any argument for against is fine by me. There will be no offense taken. So have at it.

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Old 10-31-2012, 11:50 AM   #2
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Heaven as we are told in the Bible? Not so much. An afterlife? Yes
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:54 AM   #3
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:57 AM   #4
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:03 PM   #5
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What makes you think there is an after life?
Just things I have read about near death experiences and what not. People being declared dead but knowing what was going on in the room around them, what people said, what they did, etc.
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I feel for you, brother..there are stories of people experiencing what they believe to be Heaven, or in the presence of God.

time as we know it is just that...there is speculation that if your mom is in heaven, when she sees you, it will be like being separated from you for just a few seconds...how awesome is that?

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Old 10-31-2012, 12:04 PM   #7
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I feel for you, brother..there are stories of people experiencing what they believe to be Heaven, or in the presence of God.

time as we know it is just that...there is speculation that if your mom is in heaven, when she sees you, it will be like being separated from you for just a few seconds...how awesome is that?

keep seeking....
Thanks and I am trying. I just read that book about the 8 year old that died and saw Heaven and came back to life.

But then I think maybe his parents are just making the story up to make money.

When my grandma died her last few days she was seeing people that had passed before her but I didn't see that with mom.
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:11 PM   #8
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Thanks and I am trying. I just read that book about the 8 year old that died and saw Heaven and came back to life.

But then I think maybe his parents are just making the story up to make money.

When my grandma died her last few days she was seeing people that had passed before her but I didn't see that with mom.
I saw this story recently about a neurosurgeon's experience while he was in a coma. Interesting account.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/vide...-coma-17555879
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:24 PM   #9
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Thanks and I am trying. I just read that book about the 8 year old that died and saw Heaven and came back to life.

But then I think maybe his parents are just making the story up to make money.

When my grandma died her last few days she was seeing people that had passed before her but I didn't see that with mom.
I struggled with these same questions when my mom died when I was 17. I don't believe in the biblical definition of heaven as I have the opinion that a lot of biblical writing was a way to fill in the gaps of things that were not understood because of lack of technology, methods etc at that time. What I can say is there have been moments in my life where it seems like I can hear my mother advising me in crucial moments. Whether that is my mind playing tricks or is an actual voice, I can't be certain. That being said, I accept the latter. To accept that it is her presence is to accept an afterlife.
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I struggled with these same questions when my mom died when I was 17. I don't believe in the biblical definition of heaven as I have the opinion that a lot of biblical writing was a way to fill in the gaps of things that were not understood because of lack of technology, methods etc at that time. What I can say is there have been moments in my life where it seems like I can hear my mother advising me in crucial moments. Whether that is my mind playing tricks or is an actual voice, I can't be certain. That being said, I accept the latter. To accept that it is her presence is to accept an afterlife.
I definitely understand.

A few years ago if someone had asked me about heaven I would probably say that people believe because they are afraid of death so they had to make up a mythical place to make people feel better.
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:31 PM   #11
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I definitely understand.

A few years ago if someone had asked me about heaven I would probably say that people believe because they are afraid of death so they had to make up a mythical place to make people feel better.
It would actually be easier to think that once you're done, it's over and you are resting for eternity. Do you think a serial killer would prefer an afterlife?
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I definitely understand.

A few years ago if someone had asked me about heaven I would probably say that people believe because they are afraid of death so they had to make up a mythical place to make people feel better.
I think it serves its purposes as a deterrent of bad behavior, but here's the kicker. It doesn't matter what anyone else believes, it's what you believe. This is an area where you are not going to get a straight answer across the board.

There are things about life that are certain and will never change. We are born then we die. The old must make way for the new, just as their old made way for them, they must make way for us.

It is sad for those left behind, because we cherish those memories and look forward to new ones, but in reality it's a more selfish view. One of two things can happen: a)an afterlife is nonexistent, in which case eventually contributes to new life anyway or b)an afterlife is there. In the one case, there is nothing but peace and in the other there is nothing but peace.

I'm sorry about your mother's passing. I can only offer my sympathies, condolensces and these words: she is at peace.
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As some of you may know or not I lost my mom 3 weeks ago and I am sort of struggling with my beliefs with this. She wanted to die so she could go to Heaven instead of getting her colon out. She definitely believed in Heaven and I honestly hope she wasn't disappointed.

My heart wants to believe in Heaven for the simple fact I want to see her again along with my grandma and sometime in the near future my dad.

My head tells me logically that there is probably no heaven and I get a little upset when people say she is in a better place because I really want to say Is she or how do you know?

So I am curious what you guys\gals believe and I am wondering outside of what the bible says has there been anything you have witnessed or experienced that lead you to believe one way or another?
Anyplace is better than earth which currently is a hell-hole. JMO though.
Chin up dirk. Sorry for your loss.
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:19 PM   #14
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Anyplace is better than earth which currently is a hell-hole. JMO though.
Chin up dirk. Sorry for your loss.
Even if there is no heaven?
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I can't confirm or deny a heaven dirk. So I can't answer this. If she's out of pain then isn't that better?
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