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Marijuana Legalized in Colorado and Washington

Sounds like a good thing.

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Colorado and Washington Have Legalized Marijuana. What Now?
Jacob Sullum
Nov. 7, 2012 12:52 am

As Mike Riggs noted earlier tonight, voters have approved marijuana legalization measures in Colorado and Washington—an unprecedented change that could help lead our country away from the unjust, cruel, and disastrous policy of using force to impose politicians' pharmacological tastes on the populace. The latest numbers show Colorado's Amendment 64 winning 53 percent of the vote, while an even larger majority, 56 percent, favored Washington's Initiative 502. What happens now?

The elimination of penalties for possessing up to an ounce of marijuana (if you are 21 or older) takes effect right away in both states. But the provisions allowing commercial production and sale of cannabis for recreational use require regulations that will be written during the next year. The Washington Liquor Control Board has until December 1, 2013, to adopt regulations for marijuana growers, wholesalers, processors, and retailers. The deadline in Colorado, where cannabis businesses will be overseen by the state Department of Revenue, is July 1, 2013. Colorado's law, unlike Washington's, also allows home cultivation of up to six plants and nonprofit transfers of up to an ounce, so Colorado pot smokers will have an immediate state-legal source of marijuana.

How will the federal government react? Allow me to regurgitate some of what I said last week:

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Marijuana will still be prohibited under federal law. But contrary to an argument made by opponents of Proposition 19, the California legalization initiative that lost by five percentage points in 2010, that does not mean the Supremacy Clause makes these measures unconstitutional. As Jonathan Caulkins and three other drug policy scholars note in their new book Marijuana Legalization: What Everyone Needs to Know, "The Constitution does not allow the federal government either to order state governments to create any particular criminal law or to require state and local police to enforce federal criminal laws."

Even under national alcohol prohibition, which unlike the federal ban on marijuana was authorized by a constitutional amendment, states were free to go their own way. They could decline to pass their own versions of the Volstead Act (as Maryland did), repeal them (as a dozen states, including Colorado and Washington, did while the 18th Amendment was still in force), or simply refrain from prosecuting people under them (which was common in the wetter districts of the country). "The question is not whether a state could change its own laws," Caulkins et al. write. "Rather, the question is how the conflict with the continued federal prohibition would play out."

While the feds certainly can make trouble for any state that dares to legalize pot, there is a practical limit to what they can accomplish on their own. According to the FBI, there were about 750,000 marijuana arrests nationwide last year, the vast majority for possession. State and local police departments were responsible for something like 99 percent of those arrests. It simply is not feasible for the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)—which has about 5,500 special agents nationwide, compared to about 765,000 sworn personnel employed by state and local law enforcement agencies—to bust a significant percentage of people who grow pot for themselves and their friends (as Colorado’s initiative allows), let alone people who possess it for recreational use.

The DEA can raid state-legal pot shops, as it has done with medical marijuana dispensaries, but the number of potential targets will be considerably larger once the market officially expands to include recreational users. The Justice Department can use asset forfeiture as an intimidation tactic against landlords and threaten banks that accept deposits from pot businesses with money laundering charges. The Internal Revenue Service can make life difficult for pot sellers by disallowing their business expenses (but not, thanks to a tax law wrinkle, their "cost of goods sold," which includes the cost of buying marijuana). The feds could even threaten state regulators with prosecution for handling marijuana or facilitating the trade, although that seems less likely, since it would provoke a direct confrontation with state officials. (Washington's initiative seeks to minimize this risk by assigning the task of testing marijuana for regulatory purposes to private, state-approved laboratories.) The one thing federal drug warriors cannot do, judging from their track record even when they have the full cooperation of state and local law enforcement agencies, is suppress the business entirely.
During the next few years the feds will confront the practical limits on their powers, even as they continue to defy the constititional limits (with help from the Supreme Court). The experiments on which Colorado and Washington are embarking will be instructive for the entire country, not just in terms of drug policy, where new approaches are sorely needed, but also in terms of defining the boundary between state and federal power. No one would ever mistake Barack Obama, who broke his promise to respect state laws allowing the medical use of marijuana, for a federalist. But during his second term circumstances may compel him to step back and let a few states try a little tolerance for a change.

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Old 11-07-2012, 07:48 AM   #2
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Begun, These Marijuana Wars Have
By Matthew Yglesias
Posted Tuesday, Nov. 6, 2012, at 11:40 PM ET

The marijuana legalization initiative that seems to have passed today in Colorado (and a similar one that may well pass in Washington as well) is, I think, a bigger deal than people realize. Unlike jurisdictions that have "decriminalized" marijuana, this aims to create a genuine honest-to-God legal marijuana industry. It goes even beyond what the Netherlands has done, where small scale marijuana retailing is permitted but large-scale production and wholesaling is really existing in a gray area.

In principle, a true legal marijuana regime could be a totally revolutionary situation. Imagine amber waves of pot and big factories drying and packaging the joints just as in the heyday of the cigarette industry.

But before you buy land to start your marijuana farm, note that the drug is still illegal in the United States of America and that Colorado is one of the United States of America. Consequently, if you try to set up a large-scale pot business you're liable to get busted by the DEA. So expect a lot of clashes around this and a sticky situation for the Obama administration.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:32 AM   #3
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How will employers deal with this? Many have zero tolerance policies. If you operate machinery, drive a company car or truck the risks are too great. They pee tests will lead to a number of people getting canned and fast.....the consequences of this is a lot more complex than a lot of people want to understand .
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How will employers deal with this? Many have zero tolerance policies. If you operate machinery, drive a company car or truck the risks are too great. They pee tests will lead to a number of people getting canned and fast.....the consequences of this is a lot more complex than a lot of people want to understand .
How about we just handle it the same way we do alcohol?
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:53 AM   #5
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How will employers deal with this? Many have zero tolerance policies. If you operate machinery, drive a company car or truck the risks are too great. They pee tests will lead to a number of people getting canned and fast.....the consequences of this is a lot more complex than a lot of people want to understand .
Right off the top of my head there is a Wal Mart warehouse in Loveland, Colorado. The company disapproves of mj use and will fire you if you fail a drug test, even in California with a medicinal card. I am going to be interested in how they (Wal Mart) handle this going forward.
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Right off the top of my head there is a Wal Mart warehouse in Loveland, Colorado. The company disapproves of mj use and will fire you if you fail a drug test, even in California with a medicinal card. I am going to be interested in how they (Wal Mart) handle this going forward.
I'm guessing they handle it the same way they always have.
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I'm guessing they handle it the same way they always have.
They may not be able to. In a state where pot is completely legal they might actually lose the lawsuit. It's a long shot. Wal Mart handles a shit ton of legal cases. But if they lose it could set up a change in the way they have to do business in other states.
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They may not be able to. In a state where pot is completely legal they might actually lose the lawsuit. It's a long shot. Wal Mart handles a shit ton of legal cases. But if they lose it could set up a change in the way they have to do business in other states.

If its a condition of employment and there are good reasons, they would not have much risk of losing IMHO. You cant have someone operate dangerous equipment, risk injury to self or others. It just is that simple.
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How will employers deal with this? Many have zero tolerance policies. If you operate machinery, drive a company car or truck the risks are too great. They pee tests will lead to a number of people getting canned and fast.....the consequences of this is a lot more complex than a lot of people want to understand .

Many already do testing. They should continue, and it should be a fire-able offense. What's the issue?
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Many already do testing. They should continue, and it should be a fire-able offense. What's the issue?
The issue is that you can fail a drug test for marijuana long after the effects of the drug are over. So drug tests for pot in a state where usage is legal sets up a situation where someone can be fired for engaging in a legal activity that has no bearing on work performance.
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The issue is that you can fail a drug test for marijuana long after the effects of the drug are over. So drug tests for pot in a state where usage is legal sets up a situation where someone can be fired for engaging in a legal activity that has no bearing on work performance.

Umm...tough shit? Don't know what else to say.

The NFL can punish players for having certain substances in their system even if it's a side effect of taking a perfectly legal over the counter drug or whatever. This is basically the same thing -- individuals need to know/understand their employer's policies and refrain from doing things that might get them fired.
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Umm...tough shit? Don't know what else to say.

The NFL can punish players for having certain substances in their system even if it's a side effect of taking a perfectly legal over the counter drug or whatever. This is basically the same thing -- individuals need to know/understand their employer's policies and refrain from doing things that might get them fired.
The drug rules for competitive sport are primarily designed to prevent unfair advantage from ingesting PED's as well as to enforce usage standards consistent with generally accepted law. There is a substantial difference.
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The issue is that you can fail a drug test for marijuana long after the effects of the drug are over. So drug tests for pot in a state where usage is legal sets up a situation where someone can be fired for engaging in a legal activity that has no bearing on work performance.
That's the thing. It's still not legal. It is just as illegal at the federal level as it was before. There are plenty of other laws that are only enforced at the federal level.
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That's the thing. It's still not legal. It is just as illegal at the federal level as it was before. There are plenty of other laws that are only enforced at the federal level.

Right, but as a prior post points out, the vast majority of small time pot busts are done at the local/state level. Now they don't have to deal with all that if they don't want to, and the feds can't possibly deal with it.
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That's the thing. It's still not legal. It is just as illegal at the federal level as it was before. There are plenty of other laws that are only enforced at the federal level.
True. I would imagine that that is what the Wal Mart lawyers are going to go with when the lawsuits start.
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