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Old 11-07-2012, 10:33 AM   Topic Starter
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Democrats: Help me find common ground.

The people have spoken. Obama gets four more years. Congress remains split. It's compromise or gridlock, but is compromise possible? Everyone talks about bipartisanship, but they usually mean unconditional surrender by the other side.

It's pretty well known around here that I am a conservative. Liberals out there, let's pretend we're in congress. Pick an issue that you would like to address, and let's see if we can really agree to meet somewhere in the middle.

Tax rates, abortion, drug legalization...whatcha got?
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:35 AM   #2
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Probably ought to start by fixing the tax legislation that's going to run up our tax bills by 3700 dollars in January.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:43 PM   #3
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Probably ought to start by fixing the tax legislation that's going to run up our tax bills by 3700 dollars in January.
You mean, "The Bush tax cuts"?

Naw, we need to let those go up on those rich people.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:41 PM   #4
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You mean, "The Bush tax cuts"?

Naw, we need to let those go up on those rich people.
No, I mean the alternative minimum tax patch.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:13 PM   #5
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You mean, "The Bush tax cuts"?

Naw, we need to let those go up on those rich people.
Those are gone. Nada a ****ing chance in the world that they stay. Everyone gets a tax cut up to $250K. You make more than that, cool. I'm happy for you.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:35 AM   #6
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The fiscal cliff the big one and I believe that a lot of us over the last couple of years have called for tax increases, major spending cuts, defense cuts and entitlement reform.

The tax increases are the deal breaker for Reps though.

Everything should be on the table.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:37 AM   #7
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The fiscal cliff the big one and I believe that a lot of us over the last couple of years have called for tax increases, major spending cuts, defense cuts and entitlement reform.

The tax increases are the deal breaker for Reps though.

Everything should be on the table.
I'm listening...
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:39 AM   #8
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The fiscal cliff the big one and I believe that a lot of us over the last couple of years have called for tax increases, major spending cuts, defense cuts and entitlement reform.

The tax increases are the deal breaker for Reps though.

Everything should be on the table.
Agree but all these things should be in moderation till the recover gets moving. DURING a recover is the time to cut spending but it never seems to get doen as the priority is lost.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:33 AM   #9
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If you want to compromise with me and make me agree that raising taxes we can find common ground.

I'll accept some tax increases, for myself and for the wealthy in exchange for at least a 2-1 budget cut for every dollar increased and reduced welfare benefits and requirements that people who can work, do.



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The fiscal cliff the big one and I believe that a lot of us over the last couple of years have called for tax increases, major spending cuts, defense cuts and entitlement reform.

The tax increases are the deal breaker for Reps though.

Everything should be on the table.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:40 AM   #10
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Use the Clinton template. Raise the taxes at the top of income. This can be by removing tax shelters or just raising rate. We would really like your input. Stop Afghan war and hold military spending absolutely steady. Tell us what you would prioritize to keep US military strong. We prefer investment in people.

We still need to see growth industry. We suggest Natural Gas, Solar/wind, Greening of buildings and growth of electrical intrastructure for distribution and transportation.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:44 AM   #11
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We still need to see growth industry. We suggest Natural Gas, Solar/wind, Greening of buildings and growth of electrical intrastructure for distribution and transportation.
You mean central planning of the economy? Yeah, that'll work.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:48 AM   #12
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You mean central planning of the economy? Yeah, that'll work.
Good people more likely good results. I don't care what system is used.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:46 AM   #13
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No thanks. We have thousands of them and they've done nothing to offset raising energy rates.

Furthermore, we build them here and they are god awful places to work. Closer to 19th century sweat shops than 21st century nirvana.
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No thanks. We have thousands of them and they've done nothing to offset raising energy rates.

Furthermore, we build them here and they are god awful places to work. Closer to 19th century sweat shops than 21st century nirvana.
Try a coal miners job?
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:58 AM   #15
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Try a coal miners job?
Again, ad hominem attacks and snarky 1-ups aren't the purpose.

Coal mines being mind-numbing shitholes doesn't change the fact that the companies building windmills are awful, awful places to work. I won't even get into the irony surrounding what they've done to the labor unions in this area, with the governments help.

You'll notice that I didn't include natural gas - I find natural gas to be an acceptable alternative.

I also support ardently an increase in bio-fuels, but only if we reduce our dependence on corn and soybeans. The use of industrial hemp for fuel should be a top priority for anybody truly interested in both reducing our dependence on fossil fuels and improving our economy.
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