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Old 11-10-2012, 08:03 PM   Topic Starter
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America voted the House GOP out. Gerrymandering kept them in.

The math:

Between the two parties, voters voted for the Democratic House candidates nationally, 48.8% to 48.5%.

That would translate to Democrats having 214 DNP seats to 212 GOP.

The end results as of now (votes are still being counted in 6 races): 233 GOP to 194 DNP.

That's 53.5% GOP to 44.6% DNP.

A 9-point, 21-seat swing.

Want to know why John Boehner was so quick to extend the olive branch?

That's why.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...got-a-mandate/

House Democrats got more votes than House Republicans. Yet Boehner says he’s got a mandate?
Posted by Ezra Klein
November 9, 2012 at 10:15 am

The political-science evidence is clear on this: There’s no such thing as an election mandate. There’s only what a president is able to get done with the Congress the American people gave him.

But few politicians agree. And so the days and weeks after elections are heavy with arguments about who has a mandate, and for what. The latest debate is about whether President Obama, who ran a campaign explicitly promising to raise taxes on high earners and who beat a candidate explicitly promising to refuse any and all tax increases, has a mandate to raise taxes.

Speaker John Boehner says he doesn’t. “Listen, our majority is going to get reelected,” he said the day before the election. “We’ll have as much of a mandate as he [President Obama] will … to not raise taxes.”

Boehner’s logic is, on its face, sound. House Republicans have been as clear in their opposition to new taxes on the rich as Obama has been in his support for them. And House Republicans were reelected. They have as much right to claim a popular mandate as the president does.

Or they would if they’d actually won more votes. But they didn’t. House Republicans did the equivalent of winning the electoral college while losing the popular vote.

It can be a bit difficult to tally up the popular vote in House elections because you have to go ballot by ballot, and many incumbents run unopposed. But The Washington Post’s Dan Keating did the work and found that Democrats got 54,301,095 votes while Republicans got 53,822,442. That’s a close election — 48.8%-48.5% –but it’s still a popular vote win for the Democrats. Those precise numbers might change a bit as the count finalizes, but the tally isn’t likely to flip.



What saved Boehner’s majority wasn’t the will of the people but the power of redistricting. As my colleague Dylan Matthews showed, Republicans used their control over the redistricting process to great effect, packing Democrats into tighter and tighter districts and managing to restructure races so even a slight loss for Republicans in the popular vote still meant a healthy majority in the House.

That’s a neat trick, but it’s not a popular mandate, or anything near to it — and Boehner knows it. That’s why his first move after the election was to announce, in a vague-but-important statement, that he was open to some kind of compromise on taxes.

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Old 11-10-2012, 08:10 PM   #2
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Population density be damned. Amazing how a district like vicky Hartzlers has fewer people than nancy Pelosis!!!! Oh my god!!!!
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:18 PM   #3
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Population density be damned.
Its not the population density, its how you carve districts into the population to give your party an advantage. You carve up any weird, convoluted shapes you can to either isolate densely concentrated opponent areas or dilute them by breaking 'em up into pieces & adding the pieces to your areas. Lookit Pennsylvania - Repubs only went 47% for Romney, but have 72% of the house seats. Even though 53% of Pennsylvanians voted for Obama, all the Democrats in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia were cut up & cramed into a mere four seats, and the other 14 were left for Republicans.

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Its not the population density, its how you carve districts into the population to give your party an advantage. You carve up any weird, convoluted shapes you can to either isolate densely concentrated opponent areas or dilute them by breaking 'em up into pieces & adding the pieces to your areas. Lookit Pennsylvania - Repubs only went 47% for Romney, but have 72% of the house seats. Even though 53% of Pennsylvanians voted for Obama, all the Democrats in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia were cut up & cramed into a mere four seats, and the other 14 were left for Republicans.

Yup.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:17 AM   #5
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Its not the population density, its how you carve districts into the population to give your party an advantage. You carve up any weird, convoluted shapes you can to either isolate densely concentrated opponent areas or dilute them by breaking 'em up into pieces & adding the pieces to your areas. Lookit Pennsylvania - Repubs only went 47% for Romney, but have 72% of the house seats. Even though 53% of Pennsylvanians voted for Obama, all the Democrats in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia were cut up & cramed into a mere four seats, and the other 14 were left for Republicans.

Is this sarcasm? Look at it this way - what that map shows is that if you can indoctrinate the city populations, you can control the entire state's electoral votes, despite the vast majority of the landmass voting in favor of one candidate.

Its the democratic plan - make people dependent on the government, group them together, and create the perpetual downward spiral that keeps them in power. Its the same thing happening the whole country over. Poorly ran states / cities where people amass are telling the successful states / counties 'you have to pay for us, despite ourselves'. If you learn your history, its the kind of stuff that leads to civil unrest.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:16 PM   #6
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Another great piece on gerrymandering was posted here, for those wanting to see specific instances of it.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:29 PM   #7
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Not so fast....

Redistricting is done by the party in power...and those Republicans won elections so won the right to do that. Gerrymandering stays because both parties don't want to get rid of it. I saw that article earlier. It's bogus without all the information and we don't count votes like that. Liberals are trying every which way to claim a mandate.

You have NO mandate.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:07 AM   #8
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Redistricting is done by the party in power...and those Republicans won elections so won the right to do that. Gerrymandering stays because both parties don't want to get rid of it. I saw that article earlier. It's bogus without all the information and we don't count votes like that. Liberals are trying every which way to claim a mandate.

You have NO mandate.
Not true at all. Iowa has done away with the gerrymandering process.

In the Presidential election the electoral college is designed to give the winner a mandate. Even if you won't begrudge us a mandate, it was still a clear victory.
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:25 PM   #9
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Not true at all. Iowa has done away with the gerrymandering process.
A few places, this has happened. Still, gm has a long history.

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No it does not give you a mandate for the whole govt. The EC makes sure there is a clear winner for the presidential branch—not the rest of the govt. We have other branches. That's what you have confused. We have divided govt and it's ONLY in the House where revenue bills originate from. The power of the purse is nothing to diss. It's power. The presidential branch is the weakest, despite the propaganda from the left and the right of an "Imperial Presidency." We do not have one man rule or what is otherwise known as a dictator.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:34 PM   #10
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If the "true" left-leaning America didn't want to get gerrymandered, they shouldn't have voted in so many Republicans in 2010.
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If the "true" left-leaning America didn't want to get gerrymandered, they shouldn't have voted in so many Republicans in 2010.
Exactly
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If the "true" left-leaning America didn't want to get gerrymandered, they shouldn't have voted in so many Republicans in 2010.
Really.

That's why people voted the Republicans in in 2010.

To gerrymander.
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Really.

That's why people voted the Republicans in in 2010.

To gerrymander.
A little sugar would work wonders for those sour grapes.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:41 PM   #14
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Wouldnt a better example of gerrymandering be that despite winning by a couple % of the popular vote, Obama won by about 330 electoral votes to 200?
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Wouldnt a better example of gerrymandering be that despite winning by a couple % of the popular vote, Obama won by about 330 electoral votes to 200?
No, unless the state borders were set based on political party affiliation.
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