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Old 12-10-2012, 02:26 PM   Topic Starter
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Democrats then and now...

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Old 12-11-2012, 12:11 AM   #2
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:48 AM   #3
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Considering the southern strategy and the ideological shift of the political parties, it's hard to compare Democrats of old to Democrats of new.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:31 AM   #4
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Considering the southern strategy and the ideological shift of the political parties, it's hard to compare Democrats of old to Democrats of new.
History is history, man. As far as ideological "shifts" go, it's not like they traded ideologies. Democrats have always been in favor of using certain classes to do the heavy lifting for the rest of society.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:03 PM   #5
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History is history, man. As far as ideological "shifts" go, it's not like they traded ideologies. Democrats have always been in favor of using certain classes to do the heavy lifting for the rest of society.
That's a seriously ridiculous statement. Especially considering the 2 groups you tie with the democratic party are southern farmers and wealthy northern businessmen. Who do you think those people support now?
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:16 PM   #6
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That's a seriously ridiculous statement. Especially considering the 2 groups you tie with the democratic party are southern farmers and wealthy northern businessmen. Who do you think those people support now?
From what I've heard, dead people mostly like to vote for Democrats. But that's just anecdotal. I'm not sure what the stats say about that constituency.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:57 PM   #7
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History is history, man. As far as ideological "shifts" go, it's not like they traded ideologies. Democrats have always been in favor of using certain classes to do the heavy lifting for the rest of society.

Like your hero Thomas Jefferson, you mean?
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:19 PM   #8
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:19 AM   #9
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:32 AM   #10
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:50 AM   #11
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I would suggest you look at the voting records between northern and southern Representatives of both parties. It was split between north and south, not repub. or dem.

I would also suggest these types of statements unless you are ready to compare the republican party of 60 years ago to today.

Hi. My name is Dwight Eisenhower. I was a 5-star general in the US Army, Supreme Commander of the US' Europe campaign in WWII and the first Supreme Commander of NATO. I also served as President of these United States for 8 years (as a Republican) and delivered two of the most stinging rebukes of the modern Republican Party ever issued from a President (I'm so awesome, I delivered these rebukes 40 years before anyone knew they needed to be delivered.):

1. That the military-industrial complex, which only serves to feed itself with public money, must be restrained. Sure, they do good things like cell technology/GPS and the internet, but also things like the Iraq War, billion-dollar "research" projects that do nothing but make Erik Prince richer, and cost-plus contracts that do even less than that.

2. "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:46 PM   #12
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I would suggest you look at the voting records between northern and southern Representatives of both parties. It was split between north and south, not repub. or dem.
Dead wrong. Absolutely wrong.

I've posted this before, but based on your post I'd say you missed it.

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Old 12-14-2012, 08:50 AM   #13
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[quote=Bewbies;9203213]Dead wrong. Absolutely wrong.

I've posted this before, but based on your post I'd say you missed it.



No, I am not wrong. And Allen West didn't say anything that disproved what I said. He didn't say no Democrats voted for it. In fact, he only speaks in generalities. Nor do I consider Allen West, a War criminal, is a credible source.

History is not that hard to look up, try a Google Search. Do "Northern Democratic in the 1860's."

During the 1860 Presidential Race, the Democratic Party split between North and South, and they ran two different candidate against Lincoln. Northern Democrats voted for the 13th, Southern Democrats did not. There was no Liberal or Conservative. There was only North and South.

Besides, this is all doesn't matter anyway. It is the Republican Party now that has the Southern Strategy and owns the Racist South.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:58 AM   #14
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2) You're going to pay for the uninsured to have healthcare regardless of how it's done. You don't think you were paying for people's healthcare in 2007?
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:15 AM   #15
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2) You're going to pay for the uninsured to have healthcare regardless of how it's done. You don't think you were paying for people's healthcare in 2007?
That's not an argument. Paying for others in any way should not be done period.
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