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Old 12-14-2012, 02:26 PM   Topic Starter
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Mental Illness

Some of you may know that I was personally fairly close to Gabby Giffords. I also have a son sitting in a kindergarten class right now. I'm also known as an outspoken liberal on this board.

I have opinions about gun control policies, but I don't see that as the critical issue that links these issues. I agree that guns don't kill people, people kill people.

We as a nation need to have a grown up discussion about our culture. But I think we are missing the issue if we talk about gun control.

We need to talk about these incidents as a function of all sorts of factors, key of which are mental health.

A couple of years ago, I think my son was 3 years old and we were at a video arcade, he wanted to play one of the gun games. Something clicked for me when he asked about that.

I realized that we have created a culture of murder and killing as a form of entertainment. I realized that somehow we as a society have embraced murder as a game or entertainment. And for some reason, rape sits squrely on the other side of the line of acceptability.

We don't make movies or video games that glorify rape. That crosses a universally unacceptable like that somehow murder doesn't cross.

When I realized this contradiction in our social make up, I made a choice that I was not going to allow my son to engage in games that treat violence as a game. I started to teaching him that guns are dangerous machines should be treated with extraordinary care. And that they can but used in a lot of ways including for violence. That they aren't toys. We agreed that he wouldn't play video games that treat killing as a game. But in return, when he is old enough, we would go learn how to operate a gun and that he'd get to experience shooting a gun in a responsible way.

I say all of this because I think there is a 3rd way to have this discussion. We can protect gun rights. We can talk about our culture. We need to discuss the role of mental illness in these incidents.

It doesn't have to be a dumbed down discussion where one side focuses exclusively on banning guns and the other side focuses on expanding access to guns.

This is a multidimensional issue that demands a grown up discussion.

I guess this is my opportunity to share my thoughts in hope that it's a contribution to that effort.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:31 PM   #2
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Maybe it's time to start protecting society from broken people.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:37 PM   #3
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That sounds dangerous too. Let's just put people away who's ideas we don't agree with.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:34 PM   #4
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:32 PM   #5
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I think it's important to teach your kids to respect firearms and other people, and not worship guns etc. The problem is that you can't even count on many parents to give their kids dinner, much less teach them right and wrong. So, I don't know how to fix it. Not that you shouldn't try.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:33 PM   #6
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Maybe evil like this ought to be kept behind bars--before they snap?
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:34 PM   #7
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How do you do that?
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:36 PM   #8
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How do you do that?
Dunno, but I'm guessin' there were some pretty clear signs in the lives of those responsible that were "forgiven" and/or "ignored" by those around them. 10:1 odds.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:51 PM   #9
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:10 AM   #10
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I don't have an answer just observation.

Single parent families that don't allow a balanced upbringing. Putting 12 year old kids with a hard on and raging hormones on Ritalin before they have a chance to figure out who they are and and a father to set an example of the path they need to take at critical crossroads in life. The internet exposing kids to things I still find shocking. The disarray of your future in this economy. Information overload.

It's a cocktail of problems.

I can say this however with 100% certainty from my observation; the people who seem to be going off the grid are not game hunters or trained killers. Those arts take discipline, focus and longevity to learn so don't feed my 'violence culture'. They are some of the most centered people I've met in my life.

Who wants to bet this guy was a boy with no idea how to be a man because of the above factors? I'll bet he was a picked on, frustrated, drugged up (prescribed drugs) emasculated confused little boy who snapped.

I'm taking bets.
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:56 AM   #11
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I'll bet he was a picked on, frustrated, drugged up (prescribed drugs) emasculated confused little boy who snapped.
Bingo.
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:46 PM   #12
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Maybe evil like this ought to be kept behind bars--before they snap?
I see where you are coming from, but locking people up for a potential of violence is a scary proposition.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:00 PM   #13
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Great....let's get rid of the 4th amendment!


Oh wait, that's already started...
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:34 PM   #15
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We have a very strong, damaging rape culture in this country, jAZ.
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