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Old 01-07-2013, 09:47 PM   Topic Starter
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:17 PM   #2
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:18 PM   #3
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Old 01-08-2013, 06:02 AM   #4
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That sure is thoughtful of the animators to put all of the fallacies in one convenient video. My favorite is "Has ['If you outlaw all the guns, only outlaws will have guns'] ever been disproven?"
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Old 01-08-2013, 06:37 AM   #5
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That sure is thoughtful of the animators to put all of the fallacies in one convenient video. My favorite is "Has ['If you outlaw all the guns, only outlaws will have guns'] ever been disproven?"
You assert that it's a fallacy, but you neglected to provide a link to the evidence that disproves it.
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Old 01-08-2013, 06:42 AM   #6
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"You should be willing to die for something you believe in".

"But I don't believe in gun control".

"Then you should be willing to die for something I believe in".
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:13 PM   #7
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You assert that it's a fallacy, but you neglected to provide a link to the evidence that disproves it.
Oh, I have no intention of attempting to disprove it. I'm saying that raising it as an issue is a logical fallacy in itself, as it assumes that the purpose of gun control is to outlaw all guns.

But if you want links, I can do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_baculum
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:14 PM   #8
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Oh, I have no intention of attempting to disprove it. I'm saying that raising it as an issue is a logical fallacy in itself, as it assumes that the purpose of gun control is to outlaw all guns.

But if you want links, I can do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_baculum
Those in Congress like Senator Nutcase Feinstein from CA do want to outlaw all guns. Just because they want to do it in phases does not mean they don't want to do it.
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:27 PM   #9
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Those in Congress like Senator Nutcase Feinstein from CA do want to outlaw all guns. Just because they want to do it in phases does not mean they don't want to do it.
It is a game of inches with these shitbags. We just want the bad guns only to return later to identify more bad guns~
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Old 01-08-2013, 07:27 PM   #10
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Oh, I have no intention of attempting to disprove it. I'm saying that raising it as an issue is a logical fallacy in itself, as it assumes that the purpose of gun control is to outlaw all guns.

But if you want links, I can do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_baculum
These links are like porn for BEP. Throw in an "ad hominem" link to really get her off.
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:44 PM   #11
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Oh, I have no intention of attempting to disprove it. I'm saying that raising it as an issue is a logical fallacy in itself, as it assumes that the purpose of gun control is to outlaw all guns.

But if you want links, I can do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_baculum
Well, now let's look at this argument: The idea is to incrementally get rid of them at least for those who follow control ideologies. This is a valid argument as it has happened before and resulted in worse conditions for people. Does it mean it's everyone's intention. No. I do think it's Feinsteins and Obama's though.

Now, let's look at why it's called "gun control." We don't call it "speech control" when we outlaw yelling fire in a crowded room or when we allow people to sue for libel and slander to their reputations. We call it a few limited exceptions. We don't call it "faith control" when we don't allow school prayer in public schools. We call this protecting a right. We don't call it "church control" when we deny churches talking politics in their churches...although I would argue that it is that.

The word missing from this argument is "infringe." An assault weapon ban by the Federal govt infringes. The Constitution was written primarily to restrict the Federal govt—not to expand it's powers.
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:11 AM   #12
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That sure is thoughtful of the animators to put all of the fallacies in one convenient video. My favorite is "Has ['If you outlaw all the guns, only outlaws will have guns'] ever been disproven?"
Agreed. /Mexico
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:26 PM   #14
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That sure is thoughtful of the animators to put all of the fallacies in one convenient video. My favorite is "Has ['If you outlaw all the guns, only outlaws will have guns'] ever been disproven?"
No. One example are the criminals that ran Nazi Germany.
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