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Old 01-13-2013, 03:25 PM   Topic Starter
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Small, possibly misguided, rant...

I think icing the kicker in the NFL is dumb...
But...
If a time out is called, I don't think the kicker should be allowed that practice kick.
Players are expected to stop running full speed into a ball carrier on the whistle. Players are expected to veer away from a QB as soon as the ball leaves his hands. Players are expected to adjust their hitting angle based on the offensive player's head placement, all split second decisions. There's no reason a kicker can't stop on the whistle.
I understand that I'm comparing apples to oranges, and that the rules I mentioned are about "player safety," where kicking a free ball isn't. However, if I'm a defensive player, and the kicker is gonna get a chance to practice the exact kick he'll be trying, and everyone else has stopped, I'm blocking the damn thing... And then it does become a player safety issue.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:27 PM   #2
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Or maybe coaches should just not call the time out.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:29 PM   #3
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Or maybe coaches should just not call the time out.
This.

It's a Shanarat invention, so you know it's dirty. The kicking team should have every advantage at their disposal to punish teams for doing it.
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Yeah, I can go with that. Make it an Unsportsman Like penalty, and that kicker will stop his motion real quick when he hears the whistle.

And on a side note, did Carroll call a TO or not? He was up that side judge's ass pretty deep, looking like he was pissed he called the timeout.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:28 PM   #5
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I don't like "icing the kicker". I think it's stupid. But, you are correct. If the TO is called, the kicker should not take a practice kick or be penalized.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:29 PM   #6
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Or maybe coaches should just not call the time out.
Like I said, I'm all for not "icing" in the NFL. I think it's worthless.
I just don't think, if a coach tries it, the kicker should get a free shot.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:30 PM   #7
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Like I said, I'm all for not "icing" in the NFL. I think it's worthless.
I just don't think, if a coach tries it, the kicker should get a free shot.
I guess the issue is that those kicks are very frequently made when the crowd is going nuts and it's next to impossible to hear the whistle in the middle of the field. I'd think any type of rule you'd try to make would be completely unenforceable.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:54 PM   #8
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Like I said, I'm all for not "icing" in the NFL. I think it's worthless.
I just don't think, if a coach tries it, the kicker should get a free shot.
Or call the TO long before the snap...

But it's a pillowbiter move in the first place, so I think the kickers are starting to miss them just to play with the other sideline when the come back and nail the kick anyway.

But if we're going to fix the rule, the fix it for good.. Specifically ALLOW the kickers to kick a few practice kicks in the TO and that'll fix the pillowbiter move once and for all...
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:56 PM   #9
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Or call the TO long before the snap...

But it's a pillowbiter move in the first place, so I think the kickers are starting to miss them just to play with the other sideline when the come back and nail the kick anyway.

But if we're going to fix the rule, the fix it for good.. Specifically ALLOW the kickers to kick a few practice kicks in the TO and that'll fix the pillowbiter move once and for all...
It's not playstation.

If a kicker ever misses a kick on purpose, he's a moron. There is so much muscle memory involved that it's insane to try to tinker with it to intentionally miss a kick.

Bryant simply yacked the kick but when he saw what it did, he was able to make an immediate adjustment and try again.

The 'ice' backfired perfectly on Carrol there and that is the 'market' solution to the icing attempts. And ultimately I think the fact that so many coaches have stopped doing them suggests that they're figuring this out as well.
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Old 01-13-2013, 04:16 PM   #10
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It's not playstation.

If a kicker ever misses a kick on purpose, he's a moron. There is so much muscle memory involved that it's insane to try to tinker with it to intentionally miss a kick.

Bryant simply yacked the kick but when he saw what it did, he was able to make an immediate adjustment and try again.

The 'ice' backfired perfectly on Carrol there and that is the 'market' solution to the icing attempts. And ultimately I think the fact that so many coaches have stopped doing them suggests that they're figuring this out as well.
This.

I was listening to it on the radio. When the Falcons didn't center the ball, the DialGlobal guys called it. They both said "just watch, he's gonna pull this ball right and miss it".

Totally surreal.

Pete Carroll is a moron.
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Old 01-13-2013, 04:21 PM   #11
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It's not playstation.

If a kicker ever misses a kick on purpose, he's a moron. There is so much muscle memory involved that it's insane to try to tinker with it to intentionally miss a kick.

Bryant simply yacked the kick but when he saw what it did, he was able to make an immediate adjustment and try again.

The 'ice' backfired perfectly on Carrol there and that is the 'market' solution to the icing attempts. And ultimately I think the fact that so many coaches have stopped doing them suggests that they're figuring this out as well.
Actually..... Many kickers "in practice" aim for the upright to see how accurate they are. At least that's what Janikowski does, and he doesn't suck...
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asking a bit much for a kicker who is zoned in to making a kick to stop what he is doing and possibly risking injury. Much like a batter who steps out in baseball as a pitcher you are instructed to go through the motion.
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No real way of stopping him from kicking it. Often, nobody on the field even knows a TO was called. Idiot coaches even try to call the TO right before the ball is snapped.

It all goes back to not doing this icing garbage. Is there any stat that says it works?

At least when SEA made there other boner of passing on a FG in the 1st, there's stats that suggest going for it is the right thing to do.
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Yeah, I can go with that. Make it an Unsportsman Like penalty, and that kicker will stop his motion real quick when he hears the whistle.

And on a side note, did Carroll call a TO or not? He was up that side judge's ass pretty deep, looking like he was pissed he called the timeout.
I read lips about as well as Stevie Wonder, but it looked pretty clear that he said timeout in the ref's ear.
Not to say he couldn't have been saying, "I'm not calling a timeout."
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:33 PM   #15
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I read lips about as well as Stevie Wonder, but it looked pretty clear that he said timeout in the ref's ear.
Not to say he couldn't have been saying, "I'm not calling a timeout."
It did look like that. Maybe he was just pissed that it took the ref as long as it did to call the timeout, letting Bryant go through with the attempt and miss the first one?
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