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Old 01-18-2013, 03:27 PM   Topic Starter
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Do you favor universal background checks?

Ninety-two percent of Americans favor background checks for all potential gun buyers, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll.

Universal background checks are one of the proposals that President Obama has called on Congress to pass as part of his proposal to combat gun violence in the wake of the massacre in a Newtown, Conn., elementary school in December.

Licensed gun dealers already must run background checks, but unlicensed dealers and private sellers, many of whom sell guns at gun shows or over the internet, are not required to do so.

Support for universal background checks went across party lines:
89 percent of Republicans
93 percent of Democrats and Independents were in favor
93 percent of gun households
85 percent of those living in a household with a member of the National Rifle Association

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_16...ground-checks/

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Old 01-18-2013, 03:32 PM   #2
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I don't see an issue here. No new laws, no new regulations on guns. Just check that you are legally entitled to own a gun.

You could log into some online DB with your ID/PW and run the name of the gun buyer. Should be quick and easy. Get a print out or .pdf file that they can buy as many guns as they chose to buy.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:32 PM   #3
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No. I am in favor of psychological testing and monitoring of children during development stages and a MHS with teeth.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:33 PM   #4
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No. I am in favor of psychological testing and monitoring of children during development stages.
Why don't you favor a background check?
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:46 PM   #5
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Why don't you favor a background check?
you need to stop tracking guns and start tracking criminal behavior, general.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:32 PM   #6
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I wouldn't necessarily argue it. And it obviously has support according to the percentages you posted. But I can foresee one small problem.

It will be supported by 0 percent of criminals.

Which is the one key demographic we're trying to influence. Support isn't the problem. Enforcement is...
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:44 PM   #7
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I wouldn't necessarily argue it. And it obviously has support according to the percentages you posted. But I can foresee one small problem.

It will be supported by 0 percent of criminals.

Which is the one key demographic we're trying to influence. Support isn't the problem. Enforcement is...
Enforcement is always a problem with anything. There's no law where someone couldn't say, "Well, the criminals aren't going to follow it." Doesn't mean we don't have laws. Although that idea sounds appealing to the fringe, it is not a reasonable stance for people who want to live in a civilized society.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:17 PM   #8
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Enforcement is always a problem with anything. There's no law where someone couldn't say, "Well, the criminals aren't going to follow it." Doesn't mean we don't have laws. Although that idea sounds appealing to the fringe, it is not a reasonable stance for people who want to live in a civilized society.
I'm sorry, but buying a gun does not equate to say raping someone. Your point is pure fail.

These laws ONLY affect the non-criminal. Which renders completely pointless.



Unless of course the idea is turn the non-criminal into a criminal.....
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:20 PM   #9
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Enforcement is always a problem with anything. There's no law where someone couldn't say, "Well, the criminals aren't going to follow it." Doesn't mean we don't have laws. Although that idea sounds appealing to the fringe, it is not a reasonable stance for people who want to live in a civilized society.
I can agree with that. But when creating regulations like this, it absolutely must be determined whether the regulation will be effective for what it's intended for, as opposed to just a detriment to law abiding citizens. We're still focusing on the criminal right? There has to be some level of enforceability and confidence it will work.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:36 PM   #10
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I would say yes with stipulations, as I can understand that this can be a way to funnel firearms into the hands of law abiding citizens and away from criminals. Off the top of my head I would worry that this could be turned into a "no fly list" for potential gun owners. What would be the information used in the background check and who would be in control of that information? Also, I'd like to see a built in notification system for anyone who is disqualified.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:54 PM   #12
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"Shall not be infringed." Hmmm, requiring approval sounds like infringement to me.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:59 PM   #13
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It's already the law. It's already suppose to be happening.

Every right has infringement. Just saying its infringement so it can't be allowed is really a difficult position to defend.

No being able to legally posses air to air missile batteries, tanks, fully automatic weapons are an infringement on your rights. You want those legal also, correct?
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:18 PM   #14
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It's already the law. It's already suppose to be happening.

Every right has infringement. Just saying its infringement so it can't be allowed is really a difficult position to defend.

No being able to legally posses air to air missile batteries, tanks, fully automatic weapons are an infringement on your rights. You want those legal also, correct?
In theory, yes. But we already have that stuff -- everything you think your beloved military owns belongs to each of us. America owns it's weapons.

The twist you are making is that tracking legally obtained arms makes our people safer than not tracking them, which is a lie.

Look big fella, you don't like my acid tongue, but you are in way over your head here. Take the next several months looking into DOJ efficiency. Then, maybe you will understand gun control is not effective and our DOJ is even worse -- it's part of the problem.
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In theory, yes. But we already have that stuff -- everything you think your beloved military owns belongs to each of us. America owns it's weapons.

The twist you are making is that tracking legally obtained arms makes our people safer than not tracking them, which is a lie.

Look big fella, you don't like my acid tongue, but you are in way over your head here. Take the next several months looking into DOJ efficiency. Then, maybe you will understand gun control is not effective and our DOJ is even worse -- it's part of the problem.
Do I know you? Have we interacted under one of your previous names? If not you must be confusing me with someone else.

I've been an advocate of the 2nd amendment my whole life. I'm not in favor of banning assault weapons, limiting magazines/clips. So take your misplaced aggression somewhere else.
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