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Old 01-29-2013, 05:25 PM   Topic Starter
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So it's assualt weapons that are the problem, huh?

I stole this from another board.


Its amazing when you actually look at the stats.....

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-demographics-of-2012-baltimore-homicides-20121231,0,4137229.story



Each year, the Baltimore Police homicide section compiles statistics on city killings. Here's how some of the data break down:

Murders: 217
Clearance rate (cases closed by arrest or administratively): 47.4 percent
Victims injured in prior years who died this year: 7
Cases from prior years closed this year (which counts toward this year's clearance rate, per FBI guidelines): 28

Cause:
Arson: 1
Blunt force: 7 (3.6%)
Handgun: 181 (83.4%)
Knife/sharp object: 20 (9.2%)
Shotgun/rifle: 2
Strangle/suffocation: 2
Vehicle: 1
Other: 3

Gender:
Male: 196 (90.3%)
Female: 21 (9.7%)

Race:
Asian: 1
Black: 204 (94.4%)
Hispanic: 1
White: 10 (4.6%)

Age groups:
Juvenile: 11 (5%)
Adult: 206 (95%)

35 and over: 72 (33.2%)
25-34: 68 (31.3%)
24 and under: 77 (35.5%)

Motives:
Argument: 14
Arson: 1
Child abuse: 6
Dispute over money: 2
Domestic: 3
Drugs: 3
Neighborhood (dispute?): 1
Retaliation: 3
Robbery: 10
Other: 10
Unknown: 163

Central: 15
Southeastern: 11
Eastern: 36
Northeastern: 27
Northern: 24
Northwestern: 28
Western: 30
Southwestern: 32
Southern: 14


(Known) suspects with criminal records: 79.1 percent
Suspects with drug arrests: 61.6 percent
Suspects on parole and probation at time of killing: 23.3 percent
Suspects arrested for prior gun crimes: 45.3 percent


Victims with criminal records: 82.3 percent
Victims with drug arrests: 68.4 percent
Victims on parole and probation at time of death: 24.2 percent
Victims arrested for prior gun crimes: 37.7 percent


So clearly we have an assault weapon problem. I suspect every other major city statistics are similar, and the country's as well.
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:28 PM   #2
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Did they say how many of the murderers were cat owners? Maybe it's contagious?
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:35 PM   #3
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Did they say how many of the murderers were cat owners? Maybe it's contagious?
They did, but without the numbers of the victims that owned cats, I thought that it wouldn't be a fair comparison.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:59 PM   #4
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Rifles in general are not a statistically substantial weapon of choice nationwide. That's just one of the reasons that an "assault weapons" ban is such a stupid idea.
I read on another thread talking about the DF Bill and there was a blurb about the reasoning for the bill and it mentioned there have been 350 deaths by so called "Assault Weapons" since the ban expired. Which has been what 8 years? So thats roughly 44 a year.

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I'll bet a lot of those people were drunk. We could ban booze and see if that works.
If liberal politicians were serious about protecting the populace this would make more sense than an "Assault Weapon" ban. Not that I am advocating an alcohol ban. Just pointing out the ulterior motive of the liberal elite.
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:30 PM   #5
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:34 PM   #6
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Rifles in general are not a statistically substantial weapon of choice nationwide. That's just one of the reasons that an "assault weapons" ban is such a stupid idea.
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I'll bet a lot of those people were drunk. We could ban booze and see if that works.
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I have the perfect solution, ban murder. Do i win a peace prize or something?
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I have the perfect solution, ban murder. Do i win a peace prize or something?
Try bombing a few villages with Predator drones first. Then you'll be a shoe-in!
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Thought this was pretty funny!
Yep, that is funny, however, I am confused. Are you implying nothing should be illegal because enforcement doesn't work?
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Yep, that is funny, however, I am confused. Are you implying nothing should be illegal because enforcement doesn't work?
No I think he's implying that both the science and the history have shown the prohibition is entirely ineffective because it never actually addresses the social problem.

Guns aren't the problem because ironically it's drug prohibition and the ensuing crime that is the root cause of most of those criminal oriented deaths.

In the case of drugs the root problem isn't drugs. It's addiction, 'banning' drugs doesn't address addiction it just raises their costs, both monetary and societal. How much less crime, violence and general drug induced misery would there be if we spent the trillions of dollars we have spent trying to prevent drugs from entering this country and instead spent those trillions of dollars treating addiction?

Probably the most harmful thing in our society isn't drugs or guns. It's prohibition, it has caused more death, more harm and more misery than drugs or guns combined. But people like telling people what to think, believe, and do because it makes them feel powerful.

No one cares about actually solving problems, they just like settling scores.
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No I think he's implying that both the science and the history have shown the prohibition is entirely ineffective because it never actually addresses the social problem.

Guns aren't the problem because ironically it's drug prohibition and the ensuing crime that is the root cause of most of those criminal oriented deaths.

In the case of drugs the root problem isn't drugs. It's addiction, 'banning' drugs doesn't address addiction it just raises their costs, both monetary and societal. How much less crime, violence and general drug induced misery would there be if we spent the trillions of dollars we have spent trying to prevent drugs from entering this country and instead spent those trillions of dollars treating addiction?

Probably the most harmful thing in our society isn't drugs or guns. It's prohibition, it has caused more death, more harm and more misery than drugs or guns combined. But people like telling people what to think, believe, and do because it makes them feel powerful.

No one cares about actually solving problems, they just like settling scores.



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Old 01-30-2013, 05:29 PM   #15
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Yep, that is funny, however, I am confused. Are you implying nothing should be illegal because enforcement doesn't work?
Not at all. I have no problem with things being illegal. I just don't think there should be any further restrictions on firearms. Especially the so called "assault weapons".

CrazyPhuD said it much better than I did.

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