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View Poll Results: Should DC test drive a panel that would be empowered to improve civility?
Whether I like this forum or not, I don't like this idea. No thanks. 47 73.44%
At the very least, this deserves a shot. 7 10.94%
No opinion. 10 15.63%
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:54 AM   Topic Starter
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Hey folks. Regular DCers, and everybody else.

This past weekend I asked the forum what makes DC a cesspool in their eyes.

There were many answers. Some was that too many people are stupid. Some were that there are extremist conspiracy types that make discussion difficult.

But the overwhelming answer is that too many people act like recalcitrant assholes who too often shit on people instead of promoting a discussion.

So I thought I'd throw an idea out there. I brought this up for the mod team, and they told me that if I put it before the people and DC was interested, we could get something moving.

This is a suggestion for potentially increasing the quality of posting in ChiefsPlanet's DC forum. As we all know, this place is legitimately a cesspool. We all know it is, we all agree it's a mess of haters and idiots and conspiracy assholes.

For ten-plus years, ChiefsPlanet policy towards that forum is "light" moderation, which means the best possible course of action is to let the maniacs eat themselves, but mostly to just keep that shit out of the Lounge (which I don't blame the mod team for, not one bit). That policy has permitted the DC forum to be pretty rough for most posters to participate. And the few that do participate regularly aren't that big on it. We have a pretty high turnover rate in the forum.

A new suggestion: temporarily test out a new policy, which is that of elevated moderation. There's not a lot you can do about stupid people (myself included), or folks with extreme views, but there is plenty we can do about people just acting like assholes to be assholes. For a small period of time (like six months, or even three months), ChiefsPlanet could implement an Asshole Ban on DC, meaning everybody in that forum must be respectful, and refrain from simply shitting on people, at the risk of something like a 1-month DC ban.

That may require more moderation, which much of the mod team would be unwilling to do because, c'mon, this place is a cesspool. As a result, this forum would casually elect a DC Asshole Panel, which would be a four-person board (two liberals/Democrats, two conservatives/Republicans) who regular the forum and can signal instances of assholery to the mods for a temp ban. In order for the panel to officially tip off a mod, three of the four members must agree that the Planeteer in question is in fact acting like a genuine asshole.

All of this is a complicated way of saying that DC doesn't just have to be a trashcan to keep the Lounge clean. I've been on (and am on) other boards where the political forum is a thriving exchange of ideas. And I don't mean to rob DC of its sarcasm, wit, or ribald humor. Just the blatant assholery from all sides that makes it occasionally tough to bear.

I send this suggestion up for your consideration. The poll above will stand for a week. (I would like it if a mod could sticky this thread? Too much to ask?) At the end of the week, if we at least have a plurality in favor of testing an Asshole Patrol, we'll take the next steps which would include selecting which members we'd like to serve on it.

Poll forthcoming.

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Old 02-11-2013, 11:57 AM   #2
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Hey folks. Regular DCers, and everybody else.

This past weekend I asked the forum what makes DC a cesspool in their eyes.

There were many answers. Some was that too many people are stupid. Some were that there are extremist conspiracy types that make discussion difficult.
Seriously, saying this is an attempt at censorship. If you don't like a viewpoint or an opinion ignore it.

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But the overwhelming answer is that too many people act like recalcitrant assholes who too often shit on people instead of promoting a discussion.
I agree with this but use ignore if a person is doing this chronically. But you have to excuse some slips on controversial issues or passion.



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A new suggestion: temporarily test out a new policy, which is that of elevated moderation. There's not a lot you can do about stupid people (myself included), or folks with extreme views, but there is plenty we can do about people just acting like assholes to be assholes.
Good to see you say this here, afterall you hold some extreme views yourself.

I say no and use ignore. Few boards that claim to moderate do so without bias or favoritism toward buddies in real life.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:16 PM   #3
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I voted "no".

I don't have a problem with the light moderation of the DC forum.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:28 PM   #4
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I say no and use ignore. Few boards that claim to moderate do so without bias or favoritism toward buddies in real life.
This is really all that needed to be said. Good job, BEP.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:00 PM   #5
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:04 PM   #6
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What Zack did to pete.
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:04 PM   #7
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What Zack did to pete.
When he said in jest that pete's wife was a whore?
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:08 PM   #8
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When he said in jest that pete's wife was a whore?
pete's wife is a whore?

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Old 02-11-2013, 12:11 PM   #9
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When he said in jest that pete's wife was a whore?
Dude, come on Zack's intent was clear. It wasn't in jest. It went on in several threads and over multiple posts. Zack admitted his desire was to insult pete. Zack didn't do anything that others haven't done and it wasn't against the rules.

I have about 4-5 people in here that give me personal chit for no reason. They will respond to a benign post with venom about me personally. Everyone here has seen this over the top BS. No big deal to me because if I don't respect you, you can't insult me. But, lurkers read this and go WTF. I'm not posting in there.

I'm in favor of not allowing personal insults. You can call their position stupid, idiotic whatever. But, the getting personal is over the line if you want more people to post in here.
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:18 PM   #10
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Dude, come on Zack's intent was clear. It wasn't in jest. It went on in several threads and over multiple posts. Zack admitted his desire was to insult pete. Zack didn't do anything that others haven't done and it wasn't against the rules.

I have about 4-5 people in here that give me personal chit for no reason. They will respond to a benign post with venom about me personally. Everyone here has seen this over the top BS. No big deal to me because if I don't respect you, you can't insult me. But, lurkers read this and go WTF. I'm not posting in there.

I'm in favor of not allowing personal insults. You can call their position stupid, idiotic whatever. But, the getting personal is over the line if you want more people to post in here.
Decent people shouldn't post here - they'd be happier posting somewhere else.

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Old 02-11-2013, 03:51 PM   #11
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Dude, come on Zack's intent was clear. It wasn't in jest. It went on in several threads and over multiple posts. Zack admitted his desire was to insult pete. Zack didn't do anything that others haven't done and it wasn't against the rules.

I have about 4-5 people in here that give me personal chit for no reason. They will respond to a benign post with venom about me personally. Everyone here has seen this over the top BS. No big deal to me because if I don't respect you, you can't insult me. But, lurkers read this and go WTF. I'm not posting in there.

I'm in favor of not allowing personal insults. You can call their position stupid, idiotic whatever. But, the getting personal is over the line if you want more people to post in here.
Guilty as charged. I do it because I find your posts, sometimes anyway, to be intellectually dishonest. I truly believe you are much smarter than that. It's like Direckshun, we all know he is a smart guy, misguided and sneaky, but smart nonetheless. I respect the fact that he has the balls to start a thread like this knowing full well how much he is gonna get shit on for it. I see you the same, very smart guy with more wordly knowledge (think geopolitical) than I will ever have, but yet you spew talking points and headline grabs like a robot. I just don't get it.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:58 PM   #12
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Dude, come on Zack's intent was clear. It wasn't in jest. It went on in several threads and over multiple posts. Zack admitted his desire was to insult pete. Zack didn't do anything that others haven't done and it wasn't against the rules.

I have about 4-5 people in here that give me personal chit for no reason. They will respond to a benign post with venom about me personally. Everyone here has seen this over the top BS. No big deal to me because if I don't respect you, you can't insult me. But, lurkers read this and go WTF. I'm not posting in there.

I'm in favor of not allowing personal insults. You can call their position stupid, idiotic whatever. But, the getting personal is over the line if you want more people to post in here.
I thought Zack went over a line with that, that said you are one of the most disingenuous people I have ever encountered~
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:12 PM   #13
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Dude, come on Zack's intent was clear. It wasn't in jest. It went on in several threads and over multiple posts. Zack admitted his desire was to insult pete. Zack didn't do anything that others haven't done and it wasn't against the rules.

I have about 4-5 people in here that give me personal chit for no reason. They will respond to a benign post with venom about me personally. Everyone here has seen this over the top BS. No big deal to me because if I don't respect you, you can't insult me. But, lurkers read this and go WTF. I'm not posting in there.

I'm in favor of not allowing personal insults. You can call their position stupid, idiotic whatever. But, the getting personal is over the line if you want more people to post in here.
If Zack posted a picture of Pete's wife and then insulted her appearance, that would be a personal insult. If Zack actually know something about Pete's wife and posted that information, that would be a personal attack.

To call someone's wife a cum-guzzling whore when you don't actually KNOW the person or his wife isn't a personal insult or a personal attack. It might be rude, it might be childish, and it might be over whatever line this forum wishes to draw, but it's not a personal insult or a personal attack.
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Old 02-11-2013, 04:47 PM   #14
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When he said in jest that pete's wife was a whore?
Oh it was not in jest.

I was just putting up for discussion the idea that Pete's wife is a cum slurping whore. I was not adding any opinion to the possibility of Pete's wife being a cum slurping whore.

Just to be clear.
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