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Old 05-03-2013, 05:31 PM   Topic Starter
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Keep Stone Mountain carving a Confederate Memorial

A young man asked me why do they want to change the carving at Stone Mountain Park?



The question should also be why do some people continue to try erasing history? There is a petition drive to change the beautiful historic carving at Stone Mountain Memorial Park near Atlanta, Georgia? See news story from 11 Alive of Atlanta, Georgia including their interview with me. A special thank you to Mr. Dan Coleman who participated in the debate that followed.

Read what I said including, “Like previous campaigns criticizing other Confederate Memorials, he sees the petition to remove the carving of Jefferson, Lee and Jackson as an attack on the truth.”

A online poll currently shows 95 percent of the people want to keep the Stone Mountain Carving of our heroes Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson as it is.

Let me caution you with this poll that we also won most of the polls for the 1956 Georgia “Soldier’s Memorial flag” our official State flag of Georgia conceived by Judge John Sammons Bells that was unceremoniously taken down in 2001. They did not listen to the people of Georgia back then.

Mississippian’s however, were allowed to vote on their 1890s State flag, that also includes the Confederate Battle flag in the design, and they chose to keep it. Georgian’s were allowed to vote on a State flag but their 1956 flag with the Confederate flag it its design, was excluded in the vote. Democracy was at work in Mississippi but not Georgia.

Stone Mountain has been filmed many times including in the 1954 movie “A Man called Peter” starring Richard Todd as Reverend Peter Marshall and Jean Peters as his wife.

Take the time to learn about the South’s President Jefferson Davis, Gen. Robert E. Lee and Gen. Stonewall Jackson who died 150 years ago on May 10, 1863 and share with your family.

Jefferson and wife Varina Davis adopted a Black child, Jim Limber Davis, in February 1864 and…

Booker T. Washington, America’s great Black-American Educator wrote in 1910, ‘The first white people in America, certainly the first in the South to exhibit their interest in the reaching of the Negro and saving his soul through the medium of the Sunday-school were Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.”

Let’s not erase history!


http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/54938


A native of Georgia, Calvin Johnson, Chairman of the National and Georgia Division, Sons of Confederate Veterans, Confederate History Month Committee—-Scv.org lives near the historic town of Kennesaw and he’s a member of the Chattahoochee Guards Camp, Sons of Confederate Veterans. He is the author of the book “When America Stood for God, Family and Country.” Calvin can be reached at: cjohnson1861@bellsouth.net

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Old 05-03-2013, 05:34 PM   #2
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To my knowledge Robert E. Lee did not own slaves. He was also torn as to joining the south in the Civil War. Ultimately, defending his home is what broke his indecision.
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:20 PM   #3
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To my knowledge Robert E. Lee did not own slaves.


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As much as I like Southerners, they did take up arms against the US and that's a big no-no. I don't see a big problem with the flag but I don't really hold Lee in high esteem.
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:08 PM   #5
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:14 PM   #6
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As much as I like Southerners, they did take up arms against the US and that's a big no-no. I don't see a big problem with the flag but I don't really hold Lee in high esteem.
No they did not take up arms. There was no rebellion or insurrection. The southern states left the Union peacefully via secession. They offered to pay for all federal installations remaining in the southern states and even their portion of debt.

Contrary, to what school history books claim, Fort Sumter did not need to be resupplied. That was done deliberately to provoke the south into the first shot because he entered their territorial waters. No one was hurt or killed. The previous president considered such an act, should the south secede, in those areas to be an act of war. After Fort Sumter Lincoln thanked Naval Commander Gustavus Fox for helping him orchestrate the attack and to generate Northern support for a war. Afterwards, it was Lincoln who invaded the south. Lincoln's war strategy involved waging war on Southern civilians even though such tactics were denounced by the Geneva Convention of 1863 and per Lincoln's own military code.

Secession by the south was no different than our secession from Great Britain. It's as American as apple pie. The Framers considered the Union to be voluntary. They scratched the idea of using force should a state leave at the Constitutional Convention.

The average Johnny Reb, as was Lee, were defending their homes. It's a natural reaction. Most southerners did not even own slaves.
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:21 PM   #7
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No they did not take up arms. There was no rebellion or insurrection. The southern states left the Union peacefully via secession. They offered to pay for all federal installations remaining in the southern states and even their portion of debt.

Contrary, to what school history books claim, Fort Sumter did not need to be resupplied. That was done deliberately to provoke the south into the first shot because he entered their territorial waters. No one was hurt or killed. The previous president considered such an act, should the south secede, in those areas to be an act of war. After Fort Sumter Lincoln thanked Naval Commander Gustavus Fox for helping him orchestrate the attack and to generate Northern support for a war. Afterwards, it was Lincoln who invaded the south. Lincoln's war strategy involved waging war on Southern civilians even though such tactics were denounced by the Geneva Convention of 1863 and per Lincoln's own military code.

Secession by the south was no different than our secession from Great Britain. It's as American as apple pie. The Framers considered the Union to be voluntary. They scratched the idea of using force should a state leave at the Constitutional Convention.

The average Johnny Reb, as was Lee, were defending their homes. It's a natural reaction. Most southerners did not even own slaves.

You'll have to explain what the end o the Articles of Confederation meant when it closed with "The Union shall be perpetual."
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You'll have to explain what the end o the Articles of Confederation meant when it closed with "The Union shall be perpetual."
The Articles established the United States of America as a confederation of sovereign states. They were perpetual...but could be amended. In fact that was the original plan when the Founders met in Philly. Instead we got a runaway convention. I don't know why you're bringing the Articles up because it what was done at the CC resulted in a breach of contract. The Articles also provided for what was considered a weak central govt. I doubt the south would have had a problem under it.
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Old 05-03-2013, 07:15 PM   #9
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The Articles established the United States of America as a confederation of sovereign states. They were perpetual...but could be amended. In fact that was the original plan when the Founders met in Philly. Instead we got a runaway convention. I don't know why you're bringing the Articles up because it what was done at the CC resulted in a breach of contract.
You're rarely wrong, so I find your historical revisionism here so....peculiar. The words "Union" and "perpetual" are simple words that have no alternative meanings. Trying to wiggle out of such plainspeak is tortured logic. The Founders knew what that said and they knew what it meant. Then they signed it.


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That only strengthens my point further. They didn't object to perpetuity in the weak version, and then they agreed to an even stronger one after.
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The Articles established the United States of America as a confederation of sovereign states. They were perpetual...but could be amended. In fact that was the original plan when the Founders met in Philly. Instead we got a runaway convention. I don't know why you're bringing the Articles up because it what was done at the CC resulted in a breach of contract. The Articles also provided for what was considered a weak central govt. I doubt the south would have had a problem under it.

A contract amendment that is adopted/ratified by all parties is fully enforceable, regardless of what the original plan was for the amendment.

This whole line of argument makes no sense. Never has, and never will.
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No they did not take up arms. There was no rebellion or insurrection. The southern states left the Union peacefully via secession. They offered to pay for all federal installations remaining in the southern states and even their portion of debt.

Contrary, to what school history books claim, Fort Sumter did not need to be resupplied. That was done deliberately to provoke the south into the first shot because he entered their territorial waters. No one was hurt or killed. The previous president considered such an act, should the south secede, in those areas to be an act of war. After Fort Sumter Lincoln thanked Naval Commander Gustavus Fox for helping him orchestrate the attack and to generate Northern support for a war. Afterwards, it was Lincoln who invaded the south. Lincoln's war strategy involved waging war on Southern civilians even though such tactics were denounced by the Geneva Convention of 1863 and per Lincoln's own military code.

Secession by the south was no different than our secession from Great Britain. It's as American as apple pie. The Framers considered the Union to be voluntary. They scratched the idea of using force should a state leave at the Constitutional Convention.

The average Johnny Reb, as was Lee, were defending their homes. It's a natural reaction. Most southerners did not even own slaves.
The Confederacy didn't fire the first shots of the Civil War, at Fort Sumter? JFC, you are a freaking kook.
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The Confederacy didn't fire the first shots of the Civil War, at Fort Sumter? JFC, you are a freaking kook.
The Founders knew quite well what they were risking when they served Old George the divorce papers. "We pledge our lives" is a pretty serious consideration. Had they lost the Revolutionary War they'd have been hung. Frankly the US was very conciliatory to Lee and the other traitors (an unarguable moniker) at the conclusion. Abe gets a lot of credit for shepherding in a fair reunion. Many Northerners wanted execution fr war crimes.
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No they did not take up arms. There was no rebellion or insurrection. The southern states left the Union peacefully via secession. They offered to pay for all federal installations remaining in the southern states and even their portion of debt.

Contrary, to what school history books claim, Fort Sumter did not need to be resupplied. That was done deliberately to provoke the south into the first shot because he entered their territorial waters. No one was hurt or killed. The previous president considered such an act, should the south secede, in those areas to be an act of war. After Fort Sumter Lincoln thanked Naval Commander Gustavus Fox for helping him orchestrate the attack and to generate Northern support for a war. Afterwards, it was Lincoln who invaded the south. Lincoln's war strategy involved waging war on Southern civilians even though such tactics were denounced by the Geneva Convention of 1863 and per Lincoln's own military code.
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The Confederacy didn't fire the first shots of the Civil War, at Fort Sumter? JFC, you are a freaking kook.
BEP, if you decide to take me off ignore, maybe you will correct your revisionist history here.
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