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View Poll Results: Will these steps benefit you or your family?
No pre-existing conditions. 18 34.62%
No cap on benefits. 16 30.77%
Insurance companies can't drop you or your family if they get sick. 14 26.92%
Carrying your kids on your health insurance until the age of 26. 11 21.15%
Insurance companies have to spend at least 80% of all revenue on healthcare. If they go over, we get a refund. 18 34.62%
More preventive services will be free. 16 30.77%
Screw Obamacare 33 63.46%
Gaz says I'm indifferent 3 5.77%
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:06 PM   Topic Starter
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Will these Obamacare steps benefit you or your family?

Will these steps benefit you or your family?

  1. No pre-existing conditions.
  2. No cap on benefits. If I or a member of my family need to battle cancer, they will get the help they need.
  3. Insurance companies can't drop me or my family if we get sick.
  4. Carrying your kids on your health insurance until the age of 26.
  5. Insurance companies have to spend at least 80% of all revenue on healthcare. If they go over, we get a refund.
  6. A shitload of preventive services will be free. Googled the list.http://www.uspreventiveservicestaskf...uspsabrecs.htm

Spin off from another thread. Going to make this a private poll
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:09 PM   #2
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You forgot a few major ones too...

One that I can think of is standardizing the language and making more simple the explanation of all of the types of plans...

Another is having exchanges and being able to look at these new standard plans and be able to shop / compare the costs very easily...
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:11 PM   #3
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Another is having exchanges and being able to look at these new standard plans and be able to shop / compare the costs very easily...
The Exchanges don't exist yet. Hard to have an opinion.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:42 PM   #4
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The Exchanges don't exist yet. Hard to have an opinion.
Well, it is a theory / idea...I personally find it not very difficult to like (have a positive opinion on) the IDEA.

Of course no one can have an opinion on the realities yet....
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:13 PM   #5
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[*]A shitload of preventive services will be free.

Free, huh? Well that sounds great! Free stuff is always nice.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:54 PM   #6
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#5 really is hard to say is a benefit. In theory it should be but in reality rates will still rise (in almost every case this has been shown to be true so far) so you can't seriously count this one unless somehow your only goal is to see diminished profits for insurance companies and that will benefit you. Not sure how that works unless you have some scheme to short insurance stocks.

Oh and I'm healthy (knock on wood) and have no family to support so the rest don't do me any good at all.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:58 PM   #7
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Oh and I'm healthy (knock on wood) and have no family to support so the rest don't do me any good at all.
This kind of short term thinking is why we have to implement ideas like Obama Care by force

the insurance pool currently has too many sick people, and not enough young and healthy people

forcing all of the healthy, young people into the insurance pool is seems to be the only way to spread the risk enough to lower prices
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This kind of short term thinking is why we have to implement ideas like Obama Care by force

the insurance pool currently has too many sick people, and not enough young and healthy people

forcing all of the healthy, young people into the insurance pool is seems to be the only way to spread the risk enough to lower prices
There is nothing at all short term about my thinking. The question is whether those benefits apply to me. Currently they do not. Ask me again in 20 years and my answer may be different. Did you want me to LIE about the "benefits?" That may be the norm for progressives but it isn't for me. I try to stick with facts and accuracy as much as possible.
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There is nothing at all short term about my thinking. The question is whether those benefits apply to me. Currently they do not. Ask me again in 20 years and my answer may be different.
LOL...DO you know the definition of short term thinking?

Youre not that stupid are you?

You are kidding me right?
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LOL...DO you know the definition of short term thinking?

Youre not that stupid are you?

You are kidding me right?
Do you know how reading comprehension works? Since a time frame was not specified it should be assumed he means now not in some hypothetical future. If he asked "which of these benefits applies to you or might someday possibly?" then again I would probably answer differently.

The basic problem is the entire premise. It really doesn't matter if they EVER apply to ME the point is that most of those are actual tangible benefits for many Americans ...I find it hard for anyone to argue otherwise (except #5 which is utter bullshit) BUT the important factor should be "at what cost?" Are those benefits worth the cluster**** that is Obamacare? Do we accept this half ass bandaid solution which mostly serves to prop up the failed medical establishment and big insurance? I LOATHE the idea of single payer but it is miles better than Obamacare. Miles. Walk in the middle of the road like this and eventual you get hit.
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This kind of short term thinking is why we have to implement ideas like Obama Care by force
No, we don't. The govt should never have intervened in hc markets which drove up costs.
Besides saying this is fascism.
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This kind of short term thinking is why we have to implement ideas like Obama Care by force

the insurance pool currently has too many sick people, and not enough young and healthy people

forcing all of the healthy, young people into the insurance pool is seems to be the only way to spread the risk enough to lower prices
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#5 really is hard to say is a benefit. In theory it should be but in reality rates will still rise (in almost every case this has been shown to be true so far) so you can't seriously count this one unless somehow your only goal is to see diminished profits for insurance companies and that will benefit you. Not sure how that works unless you have some scheme to short insurance stocks.

Oh and I'm healthy (knock on wood) and have no family to support so the rest don't do me any good at all.
As far as #5 goes, I have $400 in my pocket that I wouldn't have had before Obamacare. But thats because of who I work for. I think most companies are planning on keeping the money to offset future costs. That would be a benefit.

Health care costs are going to rise. They will keep going up forever. The idea is to lower the cost curve. Thats the best we can hope for.

It is short sighted of you. There are many scenarios where you may need health insurance. Plenty of young people need to battle cancer. You could be driving down the road and a drunk runs a red light and your in the hospital with brain trauma when your head hits the steering wheel. etc etc

One of the major problems with the current system is those who say I don't need insurance then one of the events I mentioned above happens and its our tax $'s that pay for their care.
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As far as #5 goes, I have $400 in my pocket that I wouldn't have had before Obamacare. But thats because of who I work for. I think most companies are planning on keeping the money to offset future costs. That would be a benefit.

Health care costs are going to rise. They will keep going up forever. The idea is to lower the cost curve. Thats the best we can hope for.

It is short sighted of you. There are many scenarios where you may need health insurance. Plenty of young people need to battle cancer. You could be driving down the road and a drunk runs a red light and your in the hospital with brain trauma when your hear hit the steering wheel. etc etc

One of the major he problem with the current system is those who say I don't need insurance then one of the events I mentioned above happens and its our tax $'s that pay for their care.
I never said I don't have insurance? Where the hell do you get that from? I am saying that the benefits listed don't mean squat to me. Would you rather I lie to you about it?

You are also wrong in your assumption about medical costs. They will continue to rise and be bloated so long as bullshit government interference props up big insurance. Obamacare is just the latest in a long line of govt actions that have contributed to the problem.

I also have an argument against your fatalism about rising costs forever but it's a little to tech and off topic for this thread.
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I am saying that the benefits listed don't mean squat to me. Would you rather I lie to you about it?
Youre not being truthful, you are skirting the issue..You ALREADY admitted your opinion might change in 20 years.

THAT is the very definition of short sighted...

You think you are a LOT smarter than you are, and I hope you remember this in 20 years.
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