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Old 10-17-2013, 12:46 AM   Topic Starter
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Is the Republican Party the thing of the past? Doom and Gloom

I'll give the democrats this, they have a brilliant approach to guarantee a long career in politics. They won't be beaten again.

Keys to victory:
-Own the mainstream media. CNN, MSNBC etc
-Own the national news papers. NYT, Washington Post etc
-Own the online "news" like Yahoo News and other popular online news sites.
-Own Hollywood

This creates propaganda 24x7.

-Own the uninformed voter that cares more about voting based on race or their own personal agenda's instead of what's better for the country.

-Black vote is heavy Obama for the simple reason: he is black. They own a strong advantage in the woman's vote because of Pro Choice and they revere Hillary Clinton.

-Own the poor vote by sacrificing the upper/middle class by extreme taxes. They are much more likely to turn out because what else do they have to do other than vote. Voting can be seen as their job, because if they don't vote, their handouts can get taken away or altered. They are also moving a lot of the middle class into the poor class, thus increasing their voting pool.

-Own the Hispanic vote by opening the floodgates along the southern border no matter how damaging this is to the economy. This vote will only get larger.

-Own the younger vote by putting extreme leftist in colleges to pollute young, impressionable minds.

-Buy votes with special treatment. Obamacare is hated by the country, yet they depend on the unions so they pass exemptions for them. Oh, don't want their own party in congress to start questioning it, so they pass exemptions for them.


Their tactics are sickening, but brilliant. No way can the Republicans or any potential party compete with the propaganda machine, free handouts and illegal immigrants amnesty. I honestly can't see the Republicans ever winning another presidential election and after this latest f up, I don't see them controlling the house/senate anytime soon.

Never has a President been able to and excused for lying as much as Obama. Never have I seen a President continue to convince people that it's OK to spend up to 1/4 of your income on healthcare, where no where in the world spends more than 4% of their income on healthcare. I sat and watched a young democrat college student at a very prominent school beg to be taxed 60% of her income or more. Are you effing stupid I thought?

I think there is more likely to be a civil war, complete collapse of the US or the red states seceding before republicans control the white house again, not unless things change significantly.

As an American, I am terrified. Regardless of political affiliation, you should be to.

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Oh look, another racist democrat.

But No, Yes, No.

But let me guess you now.

20's, poor and maybe still living at home, white guy that hates the fact that he is white.
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Oh look, another racist democrat.

But No, Yes, No.

But let me guess you now.

20's, poor and maybe still living at home, white guy that hates the fact that he is white.
Yeah. It's hard being white these days. Haaaaaaaard man...
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You have to assume the OP is reasonably close in his assessment. The question I have is how long is this new normal sustainable? And if we could visualize it, what is the future for a kid in school today? How will taxes be produced from an economy that has no growth and no incentives to excel? Somehow the social programs will need to be paid for or the debt will just grow. How does that function long term?
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A lot of the reason liberals win with these groups is because of a complete lack of social awareness that Republicans are being insulting to these groups.

It's not about pandering. Maybe talk about anti immigration policies without a sneer. Talk about abortion and birth control without desensitizing rape, and have some compassion for people who don't have a means to support themselves even if you hate government programs.

The Republicans are like watching Lindsay lohan. She can bitch all she wants about the media treating her unfairly, but maybe stop feeding them material.
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A lot of the reason liberals win with these groups is because of a complete lack of social awareness that Republicans are being insulting to these groups.

It's not about pandering. Maybe talk about anti immigration policies without a sneer. Talk about abortion and birth control without desensitizing rape, and have some compassion for people who don't have a means to support themselves even if you hate government programs.

The Republicans are like watching Lindsay lohan. She can bitch all she wants about the media treating her unfairly, but maybe stop feeding them material.
BAM! Money Shot right here. All over the republicans face. It's too bad the OP, like Many republicans won't acknowledge this.

You wanna know why the GOP is dying? Look at the OP, he sums it up in a nutshell. Republicans talk down about nearly every group that isn't themselves and then wonder why everyone flocks to the left.

You guys are your own worst enemies and it's sad. The left is nothing to write home about either, but your pigheaded stubborn asses do all the work for them. The Republicans put the nail in their own coffin and are too dumb to realize it so they blame everything and everyone else instead.

I'm saying this as someone with no allegiance to either party. And I don't blame the GOP for this mess either. I blame their voter base because YOU people are the ones who leave this impression.
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Republicans talk down about nearly every group that isn't themselves ... but your pigheaded stubborn asses do all the work for them. The Republicans put the nail in their own coffin and are too dumb to realize it so they blame everything and everyone else instead.
Ironic post is ironic.

But it's also simply misinformed. At worst, Democrats are the equal of Republicans in the 'haughtiness' category. As has been said many times around here, Democrats are the party of inclusion, so long as you agree with them.

Look at the rhetoric they've been throwing around even over the last couple of weeks. Republicans have been called every name in the book, all the way up to terrorists.

The issue as I see it anyway is that the Democratic ideology is a phenomenal soundbite ideology. Hell, I've been saying that since the late-90s when I become at all politically aware. Being a Democrat sounds far more fun and simply more fair on its face. In 10 second quips, populism rules the world.

And things like the rise of the Twitterverse and the constant bombardment of messages (or stimuli in general), we've become a culture based around soundbites. The Republican soundbite is a harder pitch to make - immigration is a perfect example. It just sounds mean whereas the D approach of letting everyone in and being inclusive doesn't. In the end, however, the D approach isn't tenable either because of simple stuff like the Freerider Effect that we've known about for decades.

The Republican Party isn't dead because the Democratic economic approach can't hold up. According to some of our esteemed D posters around here, the fact that the economy has been in a stall at best throughout Obama's administration is the Rs fault, but lets say another D wins in 2016 - it'll stay in a stall. If the Ds take control of the House and Senate, it'll go into outright freefall. Businesses cannot and will not operate in this climate of regulation. I know it's absolutely blistering my firm and that's only because our clients have been so overwrought by the demands being made on them that they're passing them down. The economy can't thrive under this.

But it can't really be allowed to run completely unregulated either. There's a happy medium that the electorate inadvertently creates through their fickle nature. The worm will turn - it always does. And it will be because the D's will eventually run out of people to blame for a wrongheaded economic approach.

Rs are fighting uphill - there's no question. It's harder to build arguments in 140 characters centered on self-sufficiency and fiscal responsibility. And I'm sorry, Ds just cannot claim there is no media bias - there clearly is. But it's not an impossible battle and the R message still resonates in many many ways with the majority of Americans. They just need to stop taking bait and allowing shiny objects distract them into fights that they don't want. Quit arguing gay marriage - you'll lose (again, the soundbites are awful). Quit allowing yourself to get drawn into friggen discourses on rape. How the !@#$ does that even happen?

Just focus on outcomes - because for a vast majority of Americans, the Obama administrations outcomes will be largely negative. These Obamacare measures are going to lead to increased premiums, tax burdens and joblessness for more people than it helps. The Democrats, as is their custom, will blame everyone else for those problems but in the end the Democratic Messiah's name is slapped on the thing. Good luck passing that off as a Republican screwup.
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Ironic post is ironic.

But it's also simply misinformed. At worst, Democrats are the equal of Republicans in the 'haughtiness' category. As has been said many times around here, Democrats are the party of inclusion, so long as you agree with them.
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Like I said, Detox - there is an abundance of absolute pricks on either side. I do think it's fair to say that the D's have done a lot better job of keeping theirs out of the national spotlight. Then again, dictating exactly what the national spotlight shines on helps in that regard.
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Ironic post is ironic.

But it's also simply misinformed. At worst, Democrats are the equal of Republicans in the 'haughtiness' category. As has been said many times around here, Democrats are the party of inclusion, so long as you agree with them.

Look at the rhetoric they've been throwing around even over the last couple of weeks. Republicans have been called every name in the book, all the way up to terrorists.

The issue as I see it anyway is that the Democratic ideology is a phenomenal soundbite ideology. Hell, I've been saying that since the late-90s when I become at all politically aware. Being a Democrat sounds far more fun and simply more fair on its face. In 10 second quips, populism rules the world.

And things like the rise of the Twitterverse and the constant bombardment of messages (or stimuli in general), we've become a culture based around soundbites. The Republican soundbite is a harder pitch to make - immigration is a perfect example. It just sounds mean whereas the D approach of letting everyone in and being inclusive doesn't. In the end, however, the D approach isn't tenable either because of simple stuff like the Freerider Effect that we've known about for decades.

The Republican Party isn't dead because the Democratic economic approach can't hold up. According to some of our esteemed D posters around here, the fact that the economy has been in a stall at best throughout Obama's administration is the Rs fault, but lets say another D wins in 2016 - it'll stay in a stall. If the Ds take control of the House and Senate, it'll go into outright freefall. Businesses cannot and will not operate in this climate of regulation. I know it's absolutely blistering my firm and that's only because our clients have been so overwrought by the demands being made on them that they're passing them down. The economy can't thrive under this.

But it can't really be allowed to run completely unregulated either. There's a happy medium that the electorate inadvertently creates through their fickle nature. The worm will turn - it always does. And it will be because the D's will eventually run out of people to blame for a wrongheaded economic approach.

Rs are fighting uphill - there's no question. It's harder to build arguments in 140 characters centered on self-sufficiency and fiscal responsibility. And I'm sorry, Ds just cannot claim there is no media bias - there clearly is. But it's not an impossible battle and the R message still resonates in many many ways with the majority of Americans. They just need to stop taking bait and allowing shiny objects distract them into fights that they don't want. Quit arguing gay marriage - you'll lose (again, the soundbites are awful). Quit allowing yourself to get drawn into friggen discourses on rape. How the !@#$ does that even happen?

Just focus on outcomes - because for a vast majority of Americans, the Obama administrations outcomes will be largely negative. These Obamacare measures are going to lead to increased premiums, tax burdens and joblessness for more people than it helps. The Democrats, as is their custom, will blame everyone else for those problems but in the end the Democratic Messiah's name is slapped on the thing. Good luck passing that off as a Republican screwup.

Hrmmm....While i can agree with most of your post, it doesn't change the fact the republicans have a serious image problem on their hands and things like twitter and the internet in general aren't helping.

I'll use my self as an example: I came into this forum and started paying attention to politics a few years ago. I'm pretty new to this game. My family had always identified as Republican, and after learning about the parties and their goals, I thought of myself as someone who leaned towards Republican.

However, after engaging in conversations with Republicans both here and in person, i realized that while I CAN identify with a lot of the republican's ideas and how they want the country shaped, i do NOT identify with the republican VOTER....at all.

So while the Republican party sounded great on paper....after speaking with the actual voters on social issues such as immigration, i had to take a pause...

"whoa whoa whoa.....you wanna do what now?" There was so much ignorance on some of these issues that the party became a complete turn off.

I said to myself, "I simply can't identify with some of these people. I can't call myself 'republican' because we simply do not share the same views on these social issues".

At the same time, the welfare state sickens me. I can't really identify as a democrat either. I made a thread about it and was told that i sound like a libertarian. Maybe i do...but this is a two party race so being a libertarian just makes you irrelevant.

I am not alone in my thinking. Several times on this forum I've mentioned a conversation i had with a girl during the last presidential election.

Again, her ideals and what she valued strongly suggested she was republican. However, she was going to vote Democrat because as a young latin woman, she was completely put off by the republican VOTER.

The way that republicans talk about Mexicans, blacks, the poor....it's really off-putting. So while the PARTY sounds good, the VOTER does not.

IMO, this is only going to get worse.
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The Republican Party isn't dead because the Democratic economic approach can't hold up. According to some of our esteemed D posters around here, the fact that the economy has been in a stall at best throughout Obama's administration is the Rs fault, but lets say another D wins in 2016 - it'll stay in a stall. If the Ds take control of the House and Senate, it'll go into outright freefall. Businesses cannot and will not operate in this climate of regulation. I know it's absolutely blistering my firm and that's only because our clients have been so overwrought by the demands being made on them that they're passing them down. The economy can't thrive under this.

But it can't really be allowed to run completely unregulated either. There's a happy medium that the electorate inadvertently creates through their fickle nature. The worm will turn - it always does. And it will be because the D's will eventually run out of people to blame for a wrongheaded economic approach.

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Just focus on outcomes - because for a vast majority of Americans, the Obama administrations outcomes will be largely negative. These Obamacare measures are going to lead to increased premiums, tax burdens and joblessness for more people than it helps. The Democrats, as is their custom, will blame everyone else for those problems but in the end the Democratic Messiah's name is slapped on the thing. Good luck passing that off as a Republican screwup.
The economy has been growing since 2009. It hasn't been in a stall. FFS, get your basic facts right. In addition to that, the evidence is building that we will break out of the 1-2.5% GDP growth range by next year. A 3% GDP growth print is very likely for 2014. Just because the current growth isn't high enough for you due to your political leanings (I really doubt you'd say the same thing had Mittens been elected), doesn't mean the economy hasn't been growing.

Blaming presidents and other legislators for the business cycle is dumb.

Increased premiums for medical insurance is a 3 decade old trend. Assigning that to ACA is dumb as well. The additional tax burden ACA imposes is negligible. Attributing job losses that haven't occurred yet to the ACA is dumb also.
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Ironic post is ironic.

But it's also simply misinformed. At worst, Democrats are the equal of Republicans in the 'haughtiness' category. As has been said many times around here, Democrats are the party of inclusion, so long as you agree with them.

Look at the rhetoric they've been throwing around even over the last couple of weeks. Republicans have been called every name in the book, all the way up to terrorists.

The issue as I see it anyway is that the Democratic ideology is a phenomenal soundbite ideology. Hell, I've been saying that since the late-90s when I become at all politically aware. Being a Democrat sounds far more fun and simply more fair on its face. In 10 second quips, populism rules the world.

And things like the rise of the Twitterverse and the constant bombardment of messages (or stimuli in general), we've become a culture based around soundbites. The Republican soundbite is a harder pitch to make - immigration is a perfect example. It just sounds mean whereas the D approach of letting everyone in and being inclusive doesn't. In the end, however, the D approach isn't tenable either because of simple stuff like the Freerider Effect that we've known about for decades.

The Republican Party isn't dead because the Democratic economic approach can't hold up. According to some of our esteemed D posters around here, the fact that the economy has been in a stall at best throughout Obama's administration is the Rs fault, but lets say another D wins in 2016 - it'll stay in a stall. If the Ds take control of the House and Senate, it'll go into outright freefall. Businesses cannot and will not operate in this climate of regulation. I know it's absolutely blistering my firm and that's only because our clients have been so overwrought by the demands being made on them that they're passing them down. The economy can't thrive under this.

But it can't really be allowed to run completely unregulated either. There's a happy medium that the electorate inadvertently creates through their fickle nature. The worm will turn - it always does. And it will be because the D's will eventually run out of people to blame for a wrongheaded economic approach.

Rs are fighting uphill - there's no question. It's harder to build arguments in 140 characters centered on self-sufficiency and fiscal responsibility. And I'm sorry, Ds just cannot claim there is no media bias - there clearly is. But it's not an impossible battle and the R message still resonates in many many ways with the majority of Americans. They just need to stop taking bait and allowing shiny objects distract them into fights that they don't want. Quit arguing gay marriage - you'll lose (again, the soundbites are awful). Quit allowing yourself to get drawn into friggen discourses on rape. How the !@#$ does that even happen?

Just focus on outcomes - because for a vast majority of Americans, the Obama administrations outcomes will be largely negative. These Obamacare measures are going to lead to increased premiums, tax burdens and joblessness for more people than it helps. The Democrats, as is their custom, will blame everyone else for those problems but in the end the Democratic Messiah's name is slapped on the thing. Good luck passing that off as a Republican screwup.
Which regulations are you referring to that affect your clients so much that it harms your business?
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