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Old 10-29-2013, 07:38 PM   Topic Starter
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**The Obamacare Shitfest thread**

At the rate this thing is falling apart I figures it's time for a game-style thread for this abortion of a law.

This is what we get from lawmakers who don't even read the law...

1. Web site crashes...no one tested it
2. Insurance policies being canceled even after Obama stated multiple times you can keep your insurance if you like it
3. Valerie Jarrett says blame the insurance companies
4. Insurance companies say "we are just following the law"
5. HHS neutered the "Grandfather" clause with multiple regulations
6. Jay Carney tells us what the President "really meant" and that we were all just too stupid to "get it"
7. IRS knew as soon as 2010 that over 50% of individual insurance policy holders would lose coverage
8. Men are being forced to carry "maternity coverage"
9. Women who cannot get pregnant are being forced to carry "maternity coverage"
10. We keep getting told this is "affordable" yet deductible seem to be going up as well as premiums on balance
11. The Fed Gov won't tell us how many people have actually signed up
13. Obama knew nothing about any of it
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:41 PM   #2
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#14. Web site and crashed.......again
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:07 PM   #5
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5. HHS neutered the "Grandfather" clause with multiple regulations
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5. HHS neutered the "Grandfather" clause with multiple regulations
They made regulations stating that if your current "Grandfathered" policy changed for anything at all, e.g., higher premium, change of doctor list, change in deductible, etc., it was no longer considered "Grandfathered".


So basically they said any change to a plan regardless of how small would disqualify it from being Grandfathered.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:14 PM   #7
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They made regulations stating that if your current "Grandfathered" policy changed for anything at all, e.g., higher premium, change of doctor list, change in deductible, etc., it was no longer considered "Grandfathered".


So basically they said any change to a plan regardless of how small would disqualify it from being Grandfathered.
Thanks. I knew about most of that just not the change of doctor one. Seems somewhat petty
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Thanks. I knew about most of that just not the change of doctor one. Seems somewhat petty
I think there are a total of 6 or 7 regulations that basically **** your current plan. They knew what they were doing. They knew they had to force as many people as they could into this cluster ****.
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I think there are a total of 6 or 7 regulations that basically **** your current plan. They knew what they were doing. They knew they had to force as many people as they could into this cluster ****.
You have to wonder though how much the insurance companies are really to blame\happy about this. They knew the rules yet changed some of their plans.

If everyone was honest the ACA is a big-giveaway to the insurance companies. The ACA gives them a convienent excuse by allowing them to replace low-profit-margin insurance with more expensive policies, many of which will be supported with government subsidies.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:48 PM   #10
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Thanks. I knew about most of that just not the change of doctor one. Seems somewhat petty
Because it isn't true.
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Because it isn't true.
Take your lies elsewhere.
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:48 PM   #12
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5. HHS neutered the "Grandfather" clause with multiple regulations
This shows why too many agencies under the Exec branch is not a good thing. Because then we get law by bureaucrats instead of by reps. Even if Congress passed a bill and authorized the agency. It still leads to this kind of abuse.
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Listening to Dems try and spin this is some of the best entertainment I have seen in a long, long time.
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Basically, Dirk, if a Doctor retired thus causing your insurance company to revise your list of available doctors then it lost it's Grandfathered status.

So while one side of the mouth was saying you you could keep your plan if you liked it, the other side of the mouth was engineering it so you couldn't.
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