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Old 11-01-2013, 10:42 PM   Topic Starter
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Rand Paul likes to lift speech material straight from Wikipedia

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Rand Paul denies plagiarism charges, blames ‘haters’ ’

By Aaron Blake, Published: OCTOBER 31, 10:59 AM ET

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) says in a new interview that charges that he has plagiarized Wikipedia in his speeches are an effort by "haters" to bring him down.

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow first accused Paul of lifting passages from Wikipedia's summary of the movie "Gattaca." Other reports suggest he has used Wikipedia's verbiage while describing the movie "Stand and Deliver."

Paul said during an interview with Fusion that he sufficiently credited the movies rather than Wikipedia and that his speeches are not supposed to be meticulously footnoted academic papers.

"We borrowed the plot lines from 'Gattaca,' the movie, and I gave credit to the people who wrote the movie," the potential 2016 presidential candidate said. "Nothing I said was not given attribution to where it came from.

"I didn't claim that I created the movie 'Gattaca'; that's what's absurd about this."

While Paul made no secret he was talking about the movie, the plagiarism charge has more to do with whether he appropriated Wikipedia's description of the film without citing the Web site.

Many politicians have been accused of plagiarism. Vice President Biden's 1988 presidential campaign was derailed amid multiple charges of plagiarism. President Obama was also accused of plagiarizing Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick (D) during the 2008 presidential campaign.

Paul also targeted Maddow and others who have pushed the story.

"The rest of it's making a mountain out of a molehill from people I think basically who are political enemies and have an ax to grind," Paul said. "This is really about information and attacks coming from haters. The person who's leading this attack -- she's been spreading hate on me for about three years now."

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Old 11-01-2013, 10:50 PM   #2
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"The person who's leading this attack -- she's been spreading hate on me for about three years now."

this is a quote from a sitting US senator.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:55 PM   #3
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"The person who's leading this attack -- she's been spreading hate on me for about three years now."

this is a quote from a sitting US senator.
"Spreading hate on me" = Playing video of stuff I said
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:51 PM   #4
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Maddow was actually one of the first people to give Paul a voice in the national media by giving him an interview early in 2009.
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Old 11-02-2013, 02:47 PM   #5
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Maddow was actually one of the first people to give Paul a voice in the national media by giving him an interview early in 2009.
Did you accuse someone here of plagiarizing something you said a few years back? I can't remember the details.
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Old 11-02-2013, 03:54 PM   #6
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Did you accuse someone here of plagiarizing something you said a few years back? I can't remember the details.
It was me. He thought he had sole ownership of a meme, and accused me of plagiarizing him when I repurposed the meme to support my own point of view.
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Old 11-02-2013, 10:51 PM   #7
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It was me. He thought he had sole ownership of a meme, and accused me of plagiarizing him when I repurposed the meme to support my own point of view.
It wasn't a meme, it was a direct quote. The irony is not lost on me, however.

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Old 11-03-2013, 12:40 AM   #8
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It wasn't a meme, it was a direct quote. The irony is not lost on me, however.

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Whatever. No skin off my back. Call it what you want. I took the meme and repurposed it for my own. I sure as hell wasn't going to cite your dumb ass for an idea that had been popping up here and there. I did get satisfaction, however, in how butt hurt you got over it.
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Old 11-03-2013, 03:59 PM   #9
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It wasn't a meme, it was a direct quote. The irony is not lost on me, however.

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that is awesome. Isaac the plagiarizer defending another plagiarizer.

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An entire section of Sen. Rand Paul's (R-KY) 2013 book Government Bullies "was copied wholesale from a 2003 case study by the Heritage Foundation," BuzzFeed has learned.

"The copied section, 1,318 words, is by far the most significant instance reported so far of Paul borrowing language from other published material. The new cut-and-paste job follows reports by BuzzFeed, Politico, and MSNBC that Paul had plagiarized speeches either from Wikipedia or news reports."
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It's very common for two different parties to have original ideas that are nearly identical.


Rachel Maddow mocked Rand Paul for plagiarism, but shes been accused of it too

More accusations of Maddow plagiarism
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Old 11-02-2013, 01:06 AM   #12
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It's very common for two different parties to have original ideas that are nearly identical.


Rachel Maddow mocked Rand Paul for plagiarism, but shes been accused of it too

More accusations of Maddow plagiarism
I'd say nice try, but it really wasn't. That's not plagiarism.
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Old 11-02-2013, 01:21 AM   #13
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I'd say nice try, but it really wasn't. That's not plagiarism.
what isn't?
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Old 11-02-2013, 07:37 AM   #14
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what isn't?
She responded to this too:



Not to speak for cosmo, but I think the point is that the blog post author's words were not used in the Maddow piece complained of. The just used the same historical reference (which happens all the time, since our country has a shared history, people will regularly point out how current events remind them of historical events, and occasionally people will think of the same historical event because they are logically connected). The point is plagiarism is using someone else's words as your own. Not referencing the same idea. Not referring to a movie. Not using video obtained by someone else.

And more importantly, as she correctly points out,even if she had done it, attack the messenger isn't a valid way to respond to substantive allegations, particularly when many other news sources have covered this now too (attack them all?).
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Old 11-02-2013, 07:49 AM   #15
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Not to speak for cosmo, but I think the point is that the blog post author's words were not used in the Maddow piece complained of. The just used the same historical reference (which happens all the time, since our country has a shared history, people will regularly point out how current events remind them of historical events, and occasionally people will think of the same historical event because they are logically connected). The point is plagiarism is using someone else's words as your own. Not referencing the same idea. Not referring to a movie. Not using video obtained by someone else.
This isn't a libel slander situation. Plagiarism extends to all intellectual property. You can plagiarize a team playbook, an analogy, an argument, video, computer code, math calculations, etc., etc.

This is quiet different in quality from Biden's past plagiarism, that Maddow tries to use as the foundation for her fury. If he did appropriate the material, he did so from a free encyclopedia to describe the plot of a movie. He didn't change the plot of the movie to fit his narrative. He didn't claim that he'd had some flash of inspiration heretofore unnoticed by others. MoF, if there was any novel intellectual property at play it was in making the connection between the movie plot and current events, which is Paul's property, Paul's observation, not Wikipedia's. Lazy and hammy, yes. Scandalous, not so much.

Biden's plagiarism was taking the details of another politicians LIFE and the stirring stump speech that life led the politician to craft and appropriated it as his OWN life narrative.

And Maddow appropriated some specific and obscure arguments/analogies that others had the wherewithal to craft and presented them as her journalistic efforts.
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