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Old 11-04-2013, 04:32 PM   Topic Starter
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****Official 2014 STL Cardinals thread ****

2011 WS Championship
2012 one win from another WS
2013 two wins from another WS title
2014?
  • This is a franchise that has made the postseason 10 times in the last 14 seasons.
  • Reached three World Series in the last decade, and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
  • Our new Manager has more post season experience than any other manager in baseball, except the Giants manager.
  • Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
  • 60 post season wins since 2004. 20+ wins more than any other team.
  • Only one of the last 14 seasons has been a losing one.

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Old 11-04-2013, 04:36 PM   #2
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Old 11-04-2013, 04:46 PM   #3
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Keep Axford over Mujica.
Mujica is toast. Axford seems to have something left in the tank but how much money and years does he want?
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:16 PM   #4
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Strauss seems to feel that Profar is out and Andrus has the highest probability of being our new SS.

Heard him on his radio show. Thinks because of the salary, the less prospects we will have to give up and makes it more desirable for Mo. Thinks we can get him for Lynn and Adams at the most. Maybe Lynn alone with a AA prospect.
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:24 AM   #5
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Strauss seems to feel that Profar is out and Andrus has the highest probability of being our new SS.

Heard him on his radio show. Thinks because of the salary, the less prospects we will have to give up and makes it more desirable for Mo. Thinks we can get him for Lynn and Adams at the most. Maybe Lynn alone with a AA prospect.
Doesn't make sense at all. Beltran is probably out because they want Adams in the lineup. Now we trade Adams? Beltran out to me doesn't make sense either. You take our most clutch hitter who has a history of leg and foot problems and move him back to the outfield? Its either that or keep Jay in the starting lineup which makes us even worse versus lefties with Tavares also being a lefty. We don't really have any other position players able to make the leap to the bigs in our farm system right now.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:02 AM   #6
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Doesn't make sense at all. Beltran is probably out because they want Adams in the lineup. Now we trade Adams? Beltran out to me doesn't make sense either. You take our most clutch hitter who has a history of leg and foot problems and move him back to the outfield? Its either that or keep Jay in the starting lineup which makes us even worse versus lefties with Tavares also being a lefty. We don't really have any other position players able to make the leap to the bigs in our farm system right now.
You're contradicting yourself.

If "Beltran out" doesn't make sense to you, then the team absolutely needs to move Adams. There's no place for him to play if you're not going to get Craig off 1b and Adams just hit 17 bombs in half a season. His value's unlikely to ever get higher.

If "Adams out" doesn't make sense to you, then Beltran has to go.

I've stated my preference: bank the 1st rounder, save the $14 million, let Beltran walk and get a lefty slugger into the lineup. Craig can play 1b against lefties to rest his legs and we'll find a RH-hitting OFer like we should've done last year when Moe's dumb-ass went after Wigginton instead of Hairston.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:22 PM   #7
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:22 PM   #8
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Andrus is due $15 million/season starting in 2015 and is guaranteed at that figure through 2018 when he can either opt out if he's performing or continue to get paid too much through 2022 if he's struggling.

I'd probably give up Lynn for him, but wouldn't include much beyond that. His contract makes surrendering significant talent in return for him a losing proposition, IMO.

And Hamas is right - Strauss is an idiot. He's a trolling asshole who doesn't seem to have any sources anymore and lives to goad his readership.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:30 PM   #9
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Andrus is due $15 million/season starting in 2015 and is guaranteed at that figure through 2018 when he can either opt out if he's performing or continue to get paid too much through 2022 if he's struggling.

I'd probably give up Lynn for him, but wouldn't include much beyond that. His contract makes surrendering significant talent in return for him a losing proposition, IMO.

And Hamas is right - Strauss is an idiot. He's a trolling asshole who doesn't seem to have any sources anymore and lives to goad his readership.
Started listening to STL radio on the way into and from work time to time. Seemed an arrogant fellow.

So we only get him for 3 years if he is good but if he sucks we are stuck with a big contract? WTF?

You always have well thought ideas on baseball and the Cardinals. Where do you think we can get our offense for next year? What do you think are the best moves?
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:38 PM   #10
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You always have well thought ideas on baseball and the Cardinals. Where do you think we can get our offense for next year? What do you think are the best moves?
Damn hard to say.

We're not going to be able to survive on RISP figures again - we damn sure won't hit .330 and I'd be surprised if we got to .300.

Honestly, living and dying by BABIP and doubles power sounds good in theory but I'm still not sure it's sustainable. I'd like to see us add power, speed or both to the lineup. One way to do it would be to determine that Wong is ready to hit at this level, move Carpenter over to 3b and Wong in to 2b. I just hate losing the surplus value of Carp at 2b. Wong's speed and bat control is intriguing, but he's sure looked overmatched at this level. That said, if we can make a 2 WAR player out of him, he's an upgrade over Freese (who he'd essentially be replacing in the lineup).

I honestly think our best hope for offensive improvement is already on the roster - Adams. Yeah, he has some holes in his swing but the guy has hit at every level. His power is unreal and while he won't help our lefty struggles any, he's at least on the positive half of the platoon. I'd see if we can fit him in at 1b and Craig in RF. I know Craig's lower body injuries make it more of a question, but I don't see any kind of decent bat available for us that won't cost an insane amount (i.e. Elsbury to CF).

I'd like to see Reynolds brought in as a bench bat.

Baseball just isn't a sport for splashy FA pickups - most of them fail miserably. I think we need to lean on our internal hitting talent, leverage our internal pitching talent for a young SS controlled for some time and hope for a rebound year out of Jay. I also wouldn't cut bait on Freese - maybe he comes into camp and his legs feel better and the Wong move won't be necessary. If not, he's still a better option than what we've had from the right side this year.

There aren't easy answers. There never are. We have to be smart about this roster because there's very little room for error with baseball's salary structure going nuts again.
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Damn hard to say.

We're not going to be able to survive on RISP figures again - we damn sure won't hit .330 and I'd be surprised if we got to .300.

Honestly, living and dying by BABIP and doubles power sounds good in theory but I'm still not sure it's sustainable.
No way we will replicate that again.
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Honestly, living and dying by BABIP and doubles power sounds good in theory but I'm still not sure it's sustainable. I'd like to see us add power, speed or both to the lineup. One way to do it would be to determine that Wong is ready to hit at this level, move Carpenter over to 3b and Wong in to 2b. I just hate losing the surplus value of Carp at 2b. Wong's speed and bat control is intriguing, but he's sure looked overmatched at this level. That said, if we can make a 2 WAR player out of him, he's an upgrade over Freese (who he'd essentially be replacing in the lineup).
I like the Wong move. Freese hasn't been right for a long time.

What about SS?
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And Hamas is right - Strauss is an idiot. He's a trolling asshole who doesn't seem to have any sources anymore and lives to goad his readership.
I wouldn't say he's an idiot, but he is a huge ****ing douche.

He is the one who broke the Rasmus trade and kept on reporting that the Cardinals were interested in trading him after Mo repeatedly denied that rumor.
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O.City's a half-wit that doesn't know anything about baseball.

There - threads merged.
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There - threads merged.
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