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Old 02-24-2014, 09:14 PM   Topic Starter
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The 15 Beliefs of the Tea Party

I keep hearing people on both sides bash the Tea Party and I have to admit I have never actually looked into exactly what the stance of the Tea Party is, so this is what I found. Amazingly it seems that a lot of people on both sides tend to agree with most of these beliefs. It's obvious why status quo politicians are afraid of the Tea Party but I have to question why we hear some on the voter end bashing them. I have listed the beliefs below and put a D, R or B (both) for where I think beliefs fall from an "isle" aspect:

1. Illegal aliens are here illegally. R
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable. D
3. A strong military is essential. R
4. Special interests must be eliminated. B
5. Gun ownership is sacred. R
6. Government must be downsized. B
7. The national budget must be balanced. B
8. Deficit spending must end. B
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal. D
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must. B
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory. R
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens. B
13. Intrusive government must be stopped. B
14. English as our core language is required. R
15. Traditional family values are encouraged. R

- See more at: http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/#sthash.fNHyEuQs.dpuf
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:15 PM   #2
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While it's obvious the party leans right, I am amazed at how many issues you hear both sides champion yet for some reason they bash on the Tea Party.

I think there are a lot of people on both sides that identify with the Tea Party whether they realize it or not.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:44 PM   #3
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While it's obvious the party leans right, I am amazed at how many issues you hear both sides champion yet for some reason they bash on the Tea Party.

I think there are a lot of people on both sides that identify with the Tea Party whether they realize it or not.
Maybe it's not the message, maybe it's the delivery.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:44 PM   #4
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Maybe it's not the message, maybe it's the delivery.
Precisely this.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:46 PM   #5
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Maybe it's not the message, maybe it's the delivery.
Could be. I can't say I have watched enough of their "deliveries" to comment. Though the ones I have seen weren't bad at all.
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:03 PM   #6
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Could be. I can't say I have watched enough of their "deliveries" to comment. Though the ones I have seen weren't bad at all.
Read what you posted. Words like "must" "sacred" "mandatory" "required" don't really lend to any sense of compromise from a messaging standpoint. They portray a rigid stance. You aren't going to attract much of the middle of the the road crowd with that kind of positioning. I assume you copied and pasted that info from some TP resource?
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Old 02-24-2014, 10:05 PM   #7
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Read what you posted. Words like "must" "sacred" "mandatory" "required" don't really lend to any sense of compromise from a messaging standpoint. They portray a rigid stance. You aren't going to attract much of the middle of the the road crowd with that kind of positioning. I assume you copied and pasted that info from some TP resource?
A rigid stance is what it takes, imo. Take a look at the democrats. They aren't kicking the Repubs' ass by being flexible.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:17 PM   #9
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You forgot:

16. Entanglement between Church and State is not only OK but should be encouraged.
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16. Entanglement between Church and State is not only OK but should be encouraged.
I think the entire "Church and State" argument has been so misrepresented and distorted it's not even worthy of debate anymore. Freedom of religion has turned into "freedom from religion" and most people have no clue of how the law regarding Church and State is supposed to be implemented.
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I think the entire "Church and State" argument has been so misrepresented and distorted it's not even worthy of debate anymore. Freedom of religion has turned into "freedom from religion" and most people have no clue of how the law regarding Church and State is supposed to be implemented.
I think the denial of "freedom from religion" is one of the root causes of discord in our country and that it's incredibly ignorant to pretend that it isn't absolutely necessary.
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I think the denial of "freedom from religion" is one of the root causes of discord in our country and that it's incredibly ignorant to pretend that it isn't absolutely necessary.
No one is forcing you partake in any religion. The fact people don't understand the true meaning in regards to church and state is the ignorance that need be addressed.
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No one is forcing you partake in any religion. The fact people don't understand the true meaning in regards to church and state is the ignorance that need be addressed.
You misunderstand the Constitution of the United States of America.
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I think the entire "Church and State" argument has been so misrepresented and distorted it's not even worthy of debate anymore. Freedom of religion has turned into "freedom from religion" and most people have no clue of how the law regarding Church and State is supposed to be implemented.
never noticed why everybody else called you an idiot until now

they were right
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never noticed why everybody else called you an idiot until now

they were right
I have yet to hear where I am wrong. Do you even understand the legal aspects of Church and State? It is perfectly Constitutional for our government to acknowledge a religion and conduct things like prayers and have the 10 commandments in a court room, etc. When you start being persecuted legally for not being part of a particular religion or otherwise being forced to participate in a particular religion then get back to me. Until then most people are basackwards on the entire "separation" law.
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