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Old 02-25-2014, 08:20 AM   Topic Starter
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Covert Agents Infiltrate the net to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...-manipulation/

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Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable.
Mind blowing article with so many implications. Unfortunately this gives more credibility to people calling "shill" with everyone they disagree with. But it turns out that there are such agents actively manipulating opinions in online forums. The slides he shows even mentions some of their tactics such as using: confirmation bias, disinfo, slander, anchoring, priming, social penetration theory, attention control, etc.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:23 AM   #2
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Your post is suspicious in itself. So you're trying to tell us now that everything we read here could be a lie.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:40 AM   #3
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:47 AM   #4
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I'm telling you that goverment agencies actively participate in disinformation. That was something that was only suspected by "conspiracy theorists", but now is proven.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:30 PM   #5
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I'm telling you that goverment agencies actively participate in disinformation. That was something that was only suspected by "conspiracy theorists", but now is proven.
Oh stop it. They do not.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:58 PM   #6
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Oh stop it. They do not.
Glen Greenwald's article and corroborating government documents prove otherwise.

In 2011, some other guardian journalists reported on some of this:

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Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media.
Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda
This is like Operation Mockingbird on steroids.

Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, who is on Obama's NSA oversight panel advocated for this in one of his published papers.

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Some conspiracy theories create serious risks. They do not merely undermine democratic debate; in extreme cases, they create or fuel violence. If government can dispel such theories, it should do so. One problem is that its efforts might be counterproductive, because efforts to rebut conspiracy theories also legitimate them. We have suggested, however, that government can minimize this effect by rebutting more rather than fewer theories, by enlisting independent groups to supply rebuttals, and by cognitive infiltration designed to break up the crippled epistemology of conspiracy-minded groups and informationally isolated social networks.
It seems like the "5 eyes" are running a Stasi-like social monitoring and control system.

Who here is part of Obama's "truth team?"
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Old 02-25-2014, 01:00 PM   #7
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Glen Greenwald's article and corroborating government documents prove otherwise.

In 2011, some other guardian journalists reported on some of this:



This is like Operation Mockingbird on steroids.

Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, who is on Obama's NSA oversight panel advocated for this in one of his published papers.



It seems like the "5 eyes" are running a Stasi-like social monitoring and control system.

Who here is part of Obama's "truth team?"
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Old 02-25-2014, 04:05 PM   #8
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You're a dumb ass, KC. You do realize that I despise Obama, don't you?
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Old 02-25-2014, 01:02 PM   #9
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Glen Greenwald's article and corroborating government documents prove otherwise.

In 2011, some other guardian journalists reported on some of this:



This is like Operation Mockingbird on steroids.

Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, who is on Obama's NSA oversight panel advocated for this in one of his published papers.



It seems like the "5 eyes" are running a Stasi-like social monitoring and control system.

Who here is part of Obama's "truth team?"
How is debunking conspiracy theories anything like the thread title?
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Old 02-25-2014, 01:05 PM   #10
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How is debunking conspiracy theories anything like the thread title?
They couldn't even hire from within, they had to hire from the Piers Morgan love country.....so you don't have to deal with being called a traitor..at least you have that going for you.
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Old 02-25-2014, 01:16 PM   #11
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How is debunking conspiracy theories anything like the thread title?
Conspiracy theories may or may not be true. The tactics are questionable in nature:

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by rebutting more rather than fewer theories,
"flooding with information (or disinformation)." Makes it harder to distinguish truth from noise.

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enlisting independent groups to supply rebuttals
outsourcing PR

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and by cognitive infiltration designed to break up the crippled epistemology of conspiracy-minded groups and informationally isolated social networks.
this sure suggests and corroborates some of the OP. Sunstein is advocating "breaking up" of "conspiracy-minded groups."

There are plenty of conspiracy theories that have turned out to be true. Sunstein doesnt advocate in spreading truth or knowledge. He advocates breaking up conspiracy groups and those that question the official story.

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Old 02-25-2014, 08:56 AM   #12
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Cosmo20002 how could you?
First person I thought of--due to the frequency of using mental health slurs being used as his form of debate aka Soviet-style. This sort of activism has been reported before with Obama admin having activists online. Commie agitation propaganda to stir up conflict making things ripe for take over.
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First person I thought of--due to the frequency of using mental health slurs being used as his form of debate aka Soviet-style. This sort of activism has been reported before with Obama admin having activists online. Commie agitation propaganda to stir up conflict making things ripe for take over.
The more I read his posts, the more I'm convinced he's Cenk Uygur.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:33 AM   #15
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The more I read his posts, the more I'm convinced he's Cenk Uygur.
Bam. Cenk Uygur.

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