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View Poll Results: What is the trajectory of American Civilization?
We're ascending and I think we're a long way from our peak. 31 16.76%
We're ascending, but we will peak within the next two or three generations? 4 2.16%
We're in a stable state and likely won't decline. 10 5.41%
We're in a stable state but are headed toward decline. 34 18.38%
We peaked in the last two or three generations, and we're descending. 95 51.35%
We've pretty much been descending since Plymouth Rock. Our ruin is imminent. 9 4.86%
I don't really following the grand sweep of history. 2 1.08%
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:04 PM   Topic Starter
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A quick poll about the future of American Civilization.

The Gen Y thread got me wondering.

Where do you think America is in its life cycle? Are we ascending? Are we on the downside? What is our long-term trajectory as a civilization?

Poll to follow unless the Visigoths storm the walls before I can post it.
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:05 PM   #2
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:11 PM   #4
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:15 PM   #5
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I'm an optimist. I think American civilization is still on an upward path at a steady state. Our science is gamebreaking on a technology and science front, and our culture and language are winning on an international front. It probably wouldn't hurt to solve our fiscal, energy, and obesity problems, but those solutions will come.
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:56 PM   #6
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I'm an optimist. I think American civilization is still on an upward path at a steady state. Our science is gamebreaking on a technology and science front, and our culture and language are winning on an international front. It probably wouldn't hurt to solve our fiscal, energy, and obesity problems, but those solutions will come.
I think of it as using technology, yes. But also getting back to our roots. Getting more in tune with each other and everything around us. We completely lost touch, and I think it's slowly creeping back.

You know, all that new age bullshit.
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I'm an optimist. I think American civilization is still on an upward path at a steady state. Our science is gamebreaking on a technology and science front, and our culture and language...
Our science is no doubt two generations ahead of the competition at this point, from jet fighters to space craft to telephones yes, we still rule.

Our IDEALS, where we intend to go, what we intend to uphold, WHO we intend to be in the modern world... that's a whole nother ballgame, America is losing the moral high ground with each passing day, IMO.
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Our IDEALS, where we intend to go, what we intend to uphold, WHO we intend to be in the modern world... that's a whole nother ballgame, America is losing the moral high ground with each passing day, IMO.
Sounds like a teenager to me.
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Sounds like a teenager to me.
Sounds like the chewy taste of truth to me.

America is starting to believe its own hype, like Pete Carroll writ way large IMO, its time to recognize that while our national charter is and always will be the world ideal... we don't always hold to our own "deeply held" values.

I still choose America over the others, but we need to be held to our own standards these days, IMO.
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Our science is no doubt two generations ahead of the competition at this point, from jet fighters to space craft to telephones yes, we still rule.

Our IDEALS, where we intend to go, what we intend to uphold, WHO we intend to be in the modern world... that's a whole nother ballgame, America is losing the moral high ground with each passing day, IMO.
Jet fighters don't mean much in the world of ballistic missiles and nukes. Our space program has ground to a complete halt, to where we are 'farming out' the launching of our astronauts to other national space programs. Most android phones are from foreign manufacturers, and the iPhone is only designed in the US, but build across the Pacific. How is this ruling?
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Its a fringe subject and I wont bother this thread with it GG, but I'm not convinced we don't have manned/unmanned, advanced propulsion craft already ruling the hell out of nearby space.
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America has nukes and two oceans for defense so I wouldn't worry about being invaded.

We are on a slow decline that could be reversed if we have the government step back and start undoing the chains it has been put on the productive impulses of the citizenry.

We aren't going to go out with a bang like the European powers with two World Wars but probably slide into the position that the UK, France, and Germany are in now. Still a power but not a superpower.
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I think we're babies with a long way to go. I don't think you can get there without loads of experience and lots of mistakes. I think there will be a generation that looks back on these years with a lot of head shaking and patient smiles.
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