Chiefs Allen Bailey

jonzie04 · 10-26-2014, 07:20 PM

Is now tied with hali for 4 sacks on the season. And now has tied sacks from Jackson and Devito last year combined. What do you guys think of him? he's literally the opposite of Jackson/devito, he isn't very impressive against the run, but has turned out to be a solid pass rusher. i think he's the biggest difference maker amongst our dline this year, the interior pressure has been great. Its unfortunate he waited this long to pan out. do you guys think we'll be able to resign him? What kind of money do you guys think he's worth, or will end up getting? I have to think, if he keeps piling up sacks, he could at least fetch 7 million a year minimum somewhere, if jackson got 5 mill...

**The Bad Guy** · 10-26-2014, 07:33 PM

He's not that bad against the run.

He's lightyears ahead of Devito and Jackson.

jonzie04 · 10-26-2014, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

He's not that bad against the run.

He's lightyears ahead of Devito and Jackson.

I have no statistics to support my claim, so i will not go too far. he's not as bad agaisnt the run as jackson and even more so devito are at pass rushing. but i've seen him get washed out on quite a few occasions. He and hali were both thoroughly dominated against the 49ers.

Direckshun · 10-26-2014, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

I have no statistics to support my claim, so i will not go too far. he's not as bad agaisnt the run as jackson and even more so devito are at pass rushing. but i've seen him get washed out on quite a few occasions. He and hali were both thoroughly dominated against the 49ers.

You're not alone. There were snaps against the Chargers last week where he was almost blocked out of the frame.

Willie Lanier · 10-26-2014, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

Is now tied with hali for 4 sacks on the season. And now has tied sacks from Jackson and Devito last year combined. What do you guys think of him? he's literally the opposite of Jackson/devito, he isn't very impressive against the run, but has turned out to be a solid pass rusher. i think he's the biggest difference maker amongst our dline this year, the interior pressure has been great. Its unfortunate he waited this long to pan out. do you guys think we'll be able to resign him? What kind of money do you guys think he's worth, or will end up getting? I have to think, if he keeps piling up sacks, he could at least fetch 7 million a year minimum somewhere, if jackson got 5 mill...

I have great respect for john Coffey, like the drank sir, but I have no idea how to quantify the value of a 3/4 de

jonzie04 · 10-26-2014, 07:36 PM

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I have great respect for john Coffey, like the drank sir, but I have no idea how to quantify the value of a 3/4 de

I do know from last years FA, tjax got 5 mill a year, and arthur jones got 6.5. and through 7 games bailey already has as many sacks as either have had during an entire season. though, we both know pass rushing isn't the primary durt of the 3-4 DE. i have to think we may not be able to resign him if he continues at the rate hes going.

Willie Lanier · 10-26-2014, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

I do know from last years FA, tjax got 5 mill a year, and arthur jones got 6.5. and through 7 games bailey already has as many sacks as either have had during an entire season. though, we both know pass rushing isn't the primary durt of the 3-4 DE. i have to think we may not be able to resign him if he continues at the rate hes going.

And that's what scares me

chiefzilla1501 · 10-26-2014, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04

I do know from last years FA, tjax got 5 mill a year, and arthur jones got 6.5. and through 7 games bailey already has as many sacks as either have had during an entire season. though, we both know pass rushing isn't the primary durt of the 3-4 DE. i have to think we may not be able to resign him if he continues at the rate hes going.

The Chiefs will only have one year, really, to base his contract off of. I think he'll be had at a nice discount. There is no way you can justify keeping Devito and Vance Walker around, and not keeping Bailey. Both DeVito and Walker are very easy to cut next year.

Direckshun · 10-26-2014, 07:38 PM

I think Bailey makes all the sense in the universe in this defense. He does give up some in the run vs. DeVito but his passrushing is excellent. He's a pretty good passrusher in his own right, but he's a brilliant clean-up artist whenever Poe, Hali, and Houston (and Dee Ford this week!) force a QB off his spot.

The Rams got off on running over him in the first quarter, so Sutton takes him out, and puts in the 6'6", 320 lbs Kevin Vickerson. Vickerson helps Poe shut down the run. The Rams have to start airing out the ball, and Sutton puts Bailey back in.

You really, truly, absolutely have to take your hat off to Sutton's dominance so far this year. A MUCH more impressive performance over last year's.

Saccopoo · 10-26-2014, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think Bailey makes all the sense in the universe in this defense. He does give up some in the run vs. DeVito but his passrushing is excellent. He's a pretty good passrusher in his own right, but he's a brilliant clean-up artist whenever Poe, Hali, and Houston (and Dee Ford this week!) force a QB off his spot.

The Rams got off on running over him in the first quarter, so Sutton takes him out, and puts in the 6'6", 320 lbs Kevin Vickerson. Vickerson helps Poe shut down the run. The Rams have to start airing out the ball, and Sutton puts Bailey back in.

You really, truly, absolutely have to take your hat off to Sutton's dominance so far this year. A MUCH more impressive performance over last year's.

An understanding of the system by the players and an understanding of his players by Sutton.

Continuity and performance built by repetition.

**notorious** · 10-26-2014, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You really, truly, absolutely have to take your hat off to Sutton's dominance so far this year. A MUCH more impressive performance over last year's.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

An understanding of the system by the players and an understanding of his players by Sutton.

Continuity and performance built by repetition.

Sutton gets to go to bed every night thinking,"Kendrick Lewis is not my problem anymore."

jonzie04 · 10-26-2014, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think Bailey makes all the sense in the universe in this defense. He does give up some in the run vs. DeVito but his passrushing is excellent. He's a pretty good passrusher in his own right, but he's a brilliant clean-up artist whenever Poe, Hali, and Houston (and Dee Ford this week!) force a QB off his spot.

The Rams got off on running over him in the first quarter, so Sutton takes him out, and puts in the 6'6", 320 lbs Kevin Vickerson. Vickerson helps Poe shut down the run. The Rams have to start airing out the ball, and Sutton puts Bailey back in.

You really, truly, absolutely have to take your hat off to Sutton's dominance so far this year. A MUCH more impressive performance over last year's.

I really like Bailey too, that interior pressure has been killer this season. I know he has to have piled up a nice amount of pressures and hits. I think it really helps us not having to blitz, and being able to collapse pockers.

and i also tip my hat to sutton, he's been lot better this year!

thabear04 · 10-26-2014, 07:46 PM

I would like to keep him for another few years.

Direckshun · 10-26-2014, 08:28 PM

I definitely think you cut DeVito, and re-sign Bailey.

I don't think it's likely, however. I fear the Chiefs will let Bailey walk and retain DeVito. That's a huge ego-blow by a GM to actively keep a draft pick of a prior regime and actively cut a premier free agent that Dorsey himself acquired.

10-26-2014, 07:20 PM	Topic Starter
jonzie04 MVP Join Date: Feb 2014 Casino cash: $5716817	Allen Bailey Is now tied with hali for 4 sacks on the season. And now has tied sacks from Jackson and Devito last year combined. What do you guys think of him? he's literally the opposite of Jackson/devito, he isn't very impressive against the run, but has turned out to be a solid pass rusher. i think he's the biggest difference maker amongst our dline this year, the interior pressure has been great. Its unfortunate he waited this long to pan out. do you guys think we'll be able to resign him? What kind of money do you guys think he's worth, or will end up getting? I have to think, if he keeps piling up sacks, he could at least fetch 7 million a year minimum somewhere, if jackson got 5 mill...
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10-26-2014, 07:33 PM	#2
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10-26-2014, 07:38 PM	#9
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I think Bailey makes all the sense in the universe in this defense. He does give up some in the run vs. DeVito but his passrushing is excellent. He's a pretty good passrusher in his own right, but he's a brilliant clean-up artist whenever Poe, Hali, and Houston (and Dee Ford this week!) force a QB off his spot. The Rams got off on running over him in the first quarter, so Sutton takes him out, and puts in the 6'6", 320 lbs Kevin Vickerson. Vickerson helps Poe shut down the run. The Rams have to start airing out the ball, and Sutton puts Bailey back in. You really, truly, absolutely have to take your hat off to Sutton's dominance so far this year. A MUCH more impressive performance over last year's.
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10-26-2014, 07:46 PM	#14
thabear04 MTFU Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Valley Heat Casino cash: $5310450	I would like to keep him for another few years.
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10-26-2014, 08:28 PM	#15
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I definitely think you cut DeVito, and re-sign Bailey. I don't think it's likely, however. I fear the Chiefs will let Bailey walk and retain DeVito. That's a huge ego-blow by a GM to actively keep a draft pick of a prior regime and actively cut a premier free agent that Dorsey himself acquired.
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