Chiefs Draft was a steal!?

Couch-Potato · 05-03-2016, 08:28 AM

So after watching this years draft I took notice that basically everyone of our picks was considered a "steal." Accept for a couple of really tight scheme fits. Is Dorsey as clever as we all hope he is? What does CP think, did we find talent at value in this years draft? Looking back, say at the end of this year, will our draft grades improve? Will these guys contribute?

2 (6) Chris Jones DT- PFF calls this "The steal of the draft." I think it was Kiper that said he had him at like 16 on his board. Hoping we can keep Poe next year and they will play together for years to come!

3(11) KeiVarae Russell CB- Dropped due to Academics & Injury, but looks like he could become our starting #2 CB and could have been a high 2nd round pick, maybe better, without issues.

4 (7) Parker Ehihnger OG- *Scheme fit* Apparently we'd rather have a versatile OL backup than a starter at guard? hmmm questionable, but what do I know. Chiefs love these guys that can be swiss army knives across the line. Hope he comes in handy during the season when we're faced with injuries in the trenches.

4 (8) Eric Murray CB- Considered a "top 100 pick" by ESPN, went at 106? Not sure that's exactly a steal, but depending on your opinion of how high in that top 100 he could have gone...

4(28) Demarcus Robinson WR- Apparently very talented, but smoked too much pot. We love these guys in KC. I honestly think we've taken this point of view to combat the fact that KC is not an attractive destination for star FAs.

5(23) Kevin Hogan QB- *Scheme fit* Alex Smith clone. Seriously, read his profile on ESPN. Forget the whole mechanics part, the rest screams Andy's ideal "Alex-light" backup. Also, he's smart. http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/49998

5(26) Tyreek Hill WR- Oh boy. Alright so, off field issues aside, apparently this guys talented as well, buuut he might need a good beating by some teammates in this first day of training camp.

6 (3) DJ White CB- Another CB ESPN suggested would be a "Top 100 player. He went 178. Also, some guy that is sort of a scout told Arrohead Pride that he should have been a 3rd round pick: http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/5...nt-nfl-network

6 (28) Dadi Lahomme Nicoles OLB - Honestly, I dont know... developmental ST guy I guess. Not sure he fits the post.

UFA Mitch Matthews WR Undoubtedly a case of me being a true homer here, and this kid will likely never see the field, but holy snap! (6'6, 220+, Sub 4.5). He brings something different to our WR core that's for sure. Can he be our Kelce-light clone at WR? This site has him as the 29th WR of 418 available for the draft: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2016&genpos=WR

kepp · 05-03-2016, 08:35 AM

I thought there were better guards on the board when they picked Ehihnger, but they like the guy so I'm gonna trust them for now. Hopefully we can keep the character issue guys in check. I'm OK with the draft...kind of meh, but OK.

Couch-Potato · 05-03-2016, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kepp

I thought there were better guards on the board when they picked Ehihnger, but they like the guy so I'm gonna trust them for now. Hopefully we can keep the character issue guys in check. I'm OK with the draft...kind of meh, but OK.

I'm with you. Of the players selected, I only feel like the first two will really stick. I do think those two will be solid though.

**srvy** · 05-03-2016, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I'm with you. Of the players selected, I only feel like the first two will really stick. I do think those two will be solid though.

That's pretty normal as as much as people want to think we filled every need in the draft doesn't follow history on how many bust.

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Simply Red · 05-03-2016, 08:55 AM

DJ White is just okay IMO.

Simply Red · 05-03-2016, 08:56 AM

I saw a few Tech games - he's pretty average, nothing sensational - that's for sure.

**srvy** · 05-03-2016, 08:50 AM

Clinkscale thinks Dorsey is in over his head. Said he thought Chiefs successes were mostly Andy getting the most out of the talent he has. Most likely its a little of both buy Clinkscale is such a negative Ned it rubbed me wrong.

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RunKC · 05-03-2016, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by srvy

Clinkscale thinks Dorsey is in over his head. Said he thought Chiefs successes were mostly Andy getting the most out of the talent he has. Most likely its a little of both buy Clinkscale is such a negative Ned it rubbed me wrong.

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Dorsey sure saved Andy's ass last year after Andy saved his in 2014. Being 1-5 with this kind of talented team is on the coaching.
Peters was a badass, Morse was a badass and West/Ware were Dorsey finds that really helped us after we lost Jamaal.

dorsey has done one hell of a job considering the fact that he's only had 3 top 100 picks only once in his 4 drafts here.

**Easy 6** · 05-03-2016, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy

Clinkscale thinks Dorsey is in over his head. Said he thought Chiefs successes were mostly Andy getting the most out of the talent he has. Most likely its a little of both buy Clinkscale is such a negative Ned it rubbed me wrong.

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Sounds like "Clinkscale" is the one in over his head

Dorsey has whiffed on some players, but all the good ones do

The man has methodically built a deep roster, and presided over three straight winning seasons on a team with a culture that was laying in the gutter right next to the Browns

**DaFace** · 05-03-2016, 08:51 AM

It's a "steal" in the sense that we've got a ton of guys with raw talent that, if things work out perfectly, could be far more valuable than the draft picks we gave for them. However, the reason that most of them dropped was that they all (or mostly at least) have question marks, and the law of averages suggests that we can't overcome ALL of those.

It definitely appears to be Dorsey's style to take a chance on guys who might have issues for one reason or another and hope to coach them up to be performers. Thus far, I can't complain, but it's not a 100% no-brainer win either.

**ChiefGator** · 05-03-2016, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

It's a "steal" in the sense that we've got a ton of guys with raw talent that, if things work out perfectly, could be far more valuable than the draft picks we gave for them. However, the reason that most of them dropped was that they all (or mostly at least) have question marks, and the law of averages suggests that we can't overcome ALL of those.

I think it was Ted Thompson who recently said if he hit on 50% of his draft picks he would feel like he hit a home run. If we hit on just a couple of those later picks, and the first couple come through, that will be home run for us. They won't all work, but if a couple do.. woah!

Dante84 · 05-03-2016, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

It's a "steal" in the sense that we've got a ton of guys with raw talent that, if things work out perfectly, could be far more valuable than the draft picks we gave for them. However, the reason that most of them dropped was that they all (or mostly at least) have question marks, and the law of averages suggests that we can't overcome ALL of those.

It definitely appears to be Dorsey's style to take a chance on guys who might have issues for one reason or another and hope to coach them up to be performers. Thus far, I can't complain, but it's not a 100% no-brainer win either.

Yeah, I think that's the MO. Get a strategic advantage by taking value-gambles on talent, and mitigate the risk by trusting your coaching staff to develop talent and keep the players focused and hungry to win.

There's not a lot of "Me-first" players, and I also think that comes from trusting the veteran leadership as well - guys like Tamba, Berry and DJ.

In summary, our gambles are insured by our coaching and veteran leadership, which increases the odds of the gambles paying off.

The result is that our team is more talented than it should be, given our draft positions.

The proof is in the pudding: Fisher and his "raw-ness"; Kelce in the 3rd; Peters and his 'issues'; Ware and West as UDFA's....etc..

Mr. Laz · 05-03-2016, 09:14 AM

*crossing fingers*

Halfcan · 05-03-2016, 09:30 AM

If we get 2 new starters, 3 back ups and fill our practice squad-that would be a Steal of a draft.

Looks like there is enough talent there-but the big thing is the mental aspect. Can they stay out of trouble once they sign for big money? Can they learn the playbook? Did they really learn from past mistakes?

This really is a Boom or Bust draft. History always favors the Bust side unfortunately.

**RealSNR** · 05-03-2016, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

If we get 2 new starters, 3 back ups and fill our practice squad-that would be a Steal of a draft.

Looks like there is enough talent there-but the big thing is the mental aspect. Can they stay out of trouble once they sign for big money? Can they learn the playbook? Did they really learn from past mistakes?

This really is a Boom or Bust draft. History always favors the Bust side unfortunately.

Yeah.

Given the history of these kind of players, on our team and across the NFL, we're looking at Nicolas, White, and possibly someone like Robinson not sticking around the team for a full rookie contract. It's reasonable to expect Murray and Ehinger to be solid depth pieces. Hogan is one giant wild card-- honestly, I don't think he has the talent to be a reliable primary backup. I think we've got Murray around for that, and if another team pays him too much after his contract is done, we'll give Hogan a try, but I'm really not that big of a fan of him.

We're depending a lot on Jones and Russell to make this draft class sing. If they can become good starters, this draft class was a pretty decent success. Both players have a reasonable shot at being just that. I like them a lot. Any other guy from this class who surpasses expectations is frosting on the cake.

And I'm not even going to factor in Tyreek Hill in this analysis, because he will be a paraplegic some time around early August when the weatherman pays him a visit.

05-03-2016, 08:28 AM	Topic Starter
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $233065	Draft was a steal!? So after watching this years draft I took notice that basically everyone of our picks was considered a "steal." Accept for a couple of really tight scheme fits. Is Dorsey as clever as we all hope he is? What does CP think, did we find talent at value in this years draft? Looking back, say at the end of this year, will our draft grades improve? Will these guys contribute? 2 (6) Chris Jones DT- PFF calls this "The steal of the draft." I think it was Kiper that said he had him at like 16 on his board. Hoping we can keep Poe next year and they will play together for years to come! 3(11) KeiVarae Russell CB- Dropped due to Academics & Injury, but looks like he could become our starting #2 CB and could have been a high 2nd round pick, maybe better, without issues. 4 (7) Parker Ehihnger OG- Scheme fit Apparently we'd rather have a versatile OL backup than a starter at guard? hmmm questionable, but what do I know. Chiefs love these guys that can be swiss army knives across the line. Hope he comes in handy during the season when we're faced with injuries in the trenches. 4 (8) Eric Murray CB- Considered a "top 100 pick" by ESPN, went at 106? Not sure that's exactly a steal, but depending on your opinion of how high in that top 100 he could have gone... 4(28) Demarcus Robinson WR- Apparently very talented, but smoked too much pot. We love these guys in KC. I honestly think we've taken this point of view to combat the fact that KC is not an attractive destination for star FAs. 5(23) Kevin Hogan QB- Scheme fit Alex Smith clone. Seriously, read his profile on ESPN. Forget the whole mechanics part, the rest screams Andy's ideal "Alex-light" backup. Also, he's smart. http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/49998 5(26) Tyreek Hill WR- Oh boy. Alright so, off field issues aside, apparently this guys talented as well, buuut he might need a good beating by some teammates in this first day of training camp. 6 (3) DJ White CB- Another CB ESPN suggested would be a "Top 100 player. He went 178. Also, some guy that is sort of a scout told Arrohead Pride that he should have been a 3rd round pick: http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/5...nt-nfl-network 6 (28) Dadi Lahomme Nicoles OLB - Honestly, I dont know... developmental ST guy I guess. Not sure he fits the post. UFA Mitch Matthews WR Undoubtedly a case of me being a true homer here, and this kid will likely never see the field, but holy snap! (6'6, 220+, Sub 4.5). He brings something different to our WR core that's for sure. Can he be our Kelce-light clone at WR? This site has him as the 29th WR of 418 available for the draft: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2016&genpos=WR
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05-03-2016, 08:55 AM	#5
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srvy Fight, build, win! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: KC Casino cash: $-2078750	Clinkscale thinks Dorsey is in over his head. Said he thought Chiefs successes were mostly Andy getting the most out of the talent he has. Most likely its a little of both buy Clinkscale is such a negative Ned it rubbed me wrong. Sent from my LG-D800 using Tapatalk __________________ "The victim stance is a powerful one. The victim is always morally right, neither responsible nor accountable, and forever entitled to sympathy."
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DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-1723101	It's a "steal" in the sense that we've got a ton of guys with raw talent that, if things work out perfectly, could be far more valuable than the draft picks we gave for them. However, the reason that most of them dropped was that they all (or mostly at least) have question marks, and the law of averages suggests that we can't overcome ALL of those. It definitely appears to be Dorsey's style to take a chance on guys who might have issues for one reason or another and hope to coach them up to be performers. Thus far, I can't complain, but it's not a 100% no-brainer win either.
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05-03-2016, 08:35 AM	#2
kepp MVP Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $3509212	I thought there were better guards on the board when they picked Ehihnger, but they like the guy so I'm gonna trust them for now. Hopefully we can keep the character issue guys in check. I'm OK with the draft...kind of meh, but OK.
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Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	If we get 2 new starters, 3 back ups and fill our practice squad-that would be a Steal of a draft. Looks like there is enough talent there-but the big thing is the mental aspect. Can they stay out of trouble once they sign for big money? Can they learn the playbook? Did they really learn from past mistakes? This really is a Boom or Bust draft. History always favors the Bust side unfortunately.
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