Chiefs Teicher: Chiefs seem adrift while Raiders ride momentum

Eleazar · 06-25-2017, 08:37 AM

Chiefs seem adrift while Raiders ride momentum

Adam Teicher
ESPN Staff Writer

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The most notable event of the week for one AFC West favorite came when the Oakland Raiders signed their franchise quarterback, Derek Carr, to a five-year contract extension.

The most notable event of the week for the division's other top contender came when the Kansas City Chiefs announced -- one month before the start of training camp -- they were looking to hire a new general manager.

Talk about a tale of two franchises. Carr and Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie were all smiles at Friday's news conference to announce the quarterback's contract. Carr, even though he's now the highest-paid player in NFL history, talked about his desire to leave some money for teammates who are also due for a raise. McKenzie talked about his desire to get that accomplished.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs hid behind a prepared statement that didn't explain their reasons for letting go of general manager John Dorsey.

In Oakland, they have a plan. With Carr signed for the long term, McKenzie and the Raiders are free to secure some of their other good, young players such as linebacker Khalil Mack, offensive lineman Gabe Jackson and wide receiver Amari Cooper.

In Kansas City, the Chiefs don't have a plan or if they do, they need a better one. Looking for a GM with training camp looming should never be a part of the script.

The week's developments in Oakland and in Kansas City won't necessarily determine the course of the AFC West race in 2017 and for years to come. They will make things more difficult for the Chiefs, who tied with the Raiders at 12-4 last season but won the AFC West title because they swept the two games against Oakland.

Both teams until recently looked as if they had sustainability. The Raiders have many good, young players and the financial resources to keep them around for a while. The Chiefs are well coached by Andy Reid and his staff and also have a talented roster that was being continually restocked because of Dorsey's smart drafting. The Chiefs in April drafted Patrick Mahomes II, perhaps giving them an eventual franchise quarterback of their own.

Suddenly, it's natural to wonder about the Chiefs, who don't look as if they're being guided by any well-thought-out plan. Early in June, they released their most accomplished and experienced wide receiver, Jeremy Maclin, two years after signing him as a free agent.

Now, after discussing a contract extension with Dorsey earlier in the offseason, they're looking for his replacement. That task is more daunting given the mixed results from chairman Clark Hunt in hiring GMs. Dorsey was a good hire. The previous general manager, Scott Pioli, was not.

Hunt needs to get this one right. The Chiefs have to keep up with their rivals in Oakland, who have a general manager, money to burn and a smart plan.

The Chiefs, for the moment, have none of the three.

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...-ride-momentum

Hammock Parties · 06-25-2017, 08:40 AM

Like I said a few weeks ago, the Raiders and Broncos are already way ahead of the Chiefs in their QB development process. And now we need to rebuild a front office.

It might not result in a third-place finish in 2017 but for the long term it feels like we're currently in third place, until something changes.

RunKC · 06-25-2017, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Like I said a few weeks ago, the Raiders and Broncos are already way ahead of the Chiefs in their QB development process. And now we need to rebuild a front office.

It might not result in a third-place finish in 2017 but for the long term it feels like we're currently in third place, until something changes.

The Broncos are way behind the Chiefs. Less talented 53, brand new first time HC, first time DC, first year starting QB (if/when Lynch starts).

The Chiefs coaching staff has been together for 4 years and proven to be elite.

Hammock Parties · 06-25-2017, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The Broncos are way behind the Chiefs.

Maybe last year, but the Broncos got better this offseason. The Chiefs did not.

It's a QB driven league and we're still trying to put in a new engine. Oakland has a finely tuned sports car at this point and Denver is doing speed runs. We need another year just to get ours out of the shop.

RunKC · 06-25-2017, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Maybe last year, but the Broncos got better this offseason. The Chiefs did not.

It's a QB driven league and we're still trying to put in a new engine. Oakland has a finely tuned sports car at this point and Denver is doing speed runs. We need another year just to get ours out of the shop.

New HC, new DC, new QB. They have a ton to prove.

It's going to be hard enough for Denver to outcoach Andy.

Hammock Parties · 06-25-2017, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

New HC, new DC, new QB. They have a ton to prove.

It's going to be hard enough for Denver to outcoach Andy.

They don't have a "new" QB. They've been developing two quarterbacks for two/three seasons now and one of them is already giving them Alex Smith-type production.

Coaching isn't going to matter if Mahomes is slow out of the gate next season.

WhiteWhale · 06-25-2017, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Maybe last year, but the Broncos got better this offseason. The Chiefs did not.

It's a QB driven league and we're still trying to put in a new engine. Oakland has a finely tuned sports car at this point and Denver is doing speed runs. We need another year just to get ours out of the shop.

How did Denver get better?

Hammock Parties · 06-25-2017, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

How did Denver get better?

G Ron Leary
T Menelik Watson
T Garrett Boles
NT Domata Peko
TE Jake Butt

They did a great job of addressing their weaknesses in run defense and on the OL. Butt could be a huge plus.

lawrenceRaider · 06-25-2017, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The Broncos are way behind the Chiefs. Less talented 53, brand new first time HC, first time DC, first year starting QB (if/when Lynch starts).

The Chiefs coaching staff has been together for 4 years and proven to be elite.

Elite? Really?

stevieray · 06-25-2017, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Elite? Really?

You're here, aren't you?

I'd bet money that Chiefs fans don't hang out on rival boards.

Chief Roundup · 06-25-2017, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

You're here, aren't you?

I'd bet money that Chiefs fans don't hang out on rival boards.

You would lose. There are how many posts about what is or has been going on at the Mange posted on this board so that we can laugh at them. I bet there are at least 25 members, Chiefs fans, that have memberships and post somewhat regularly on the Mange.

rico · 06-25-2017, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

You're here, aren't you?

I'd bet money that Chiefs fans don't hang out on rival boards.

How much money? I'll take the bet!!!!

King_Chief_Fan · 06-25-2017, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Elite? Really?

Of course. ...they owned the former sb champs last year

PunkinDrublic · 06-25-2017, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Elite? Really?

Routinely beats your overrated coach.

splatbass · 06-25-2017, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Elite? Really?

Yes. Unlike the Raiders HC who has been nothing but mediocre his entire career.

06-25-2017, 08:37 AM	Topic Starter
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Teicher: Chiefs seem adrift while Raiders ride momentum Chiefs seem adrift while Raiders ride momentum Adam Teicher ESPN Staff Writer KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The most notable event of the week for one AFC West favorite came when the Oakland Raiders signed their franchise quarterback, Derek Carr, to a five-year contract extension. The most notable event of the week for the division's other top contender came when the Kansas City Chiefs announced -- one month before the start of training camp -- they were looking to hire a new general manager. Talk about a tale of two franchises. Carr and Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie were all smiles at Friday's news conference to announce the quarterback's contract. Carr, even though he's now the highest-paid player in NFL history, talked about his desire to leave some money for teammates who are also due for a raise. McKenzie talked about his desire to get that accomplished. Meanwhile, the Chiefs hid behind a prepared statement that didn't explain their reasons for letting go of general manager John Dorsey. In Oakland, they have a plan. With Carr signed for the long term, McKenzie and the Raiders are free to secure some of their other good, young players such as linebacker Khalil Mack, offensive lineman Gabe Jackson and wide receiver Amari Cooper. In Kansas City, the Chiefs don't have a plan or if they do, they need a better one. Looking for a GM with training camp looming should never be a part of the script. The week's developments in Oakland and in Kansas City won't necessarily determine the course of the AFC West race in 2017 and for years to come. They will make things more difficult for the Chiefs, who tied with the Raiders at 12-4 last season but won the AFC West title because they swept the two games against Oakland. Both teams until recently looked as if they had sustainability. The Raiders have many good, young players and the financial resources to keep them around for a while. The Chiefs are well coached by Andy Reid and his staff and also have a talented roster that was being continually restocked because of Dorsey's smart drafting. The Chiefs in April drafted Patrick Mahomes II, perhaps giving them an eventual franchise quarterback of their own. Suddenly, it's natural to wonder about the Chiefs, who don't look as if they're being guided by any well-thought-out plan. Early in June, they released their most accomplished and experienced wide receiver, Jeremy Maclin, two years after signing him as a free agent. Now, after discussing a contract extension with Dorsey earlier in the offseason, they're looking for his replacement. That task is more daunting given the mixed results from chairman Clark Hunt in hiring GMs. Dorsey was a good hire. The previous general manager, Scott Pioli, was not. Hunt needs to get this one right. The Chiefs have to keep up with their rivals in Oakland, who have a general manager, money to burn and a smart plan. The Chiefs, for the moment, have none of the three. http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...-ride-momentum
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $980478	Like I said a few weeks ago, the Raiders and Broncos are already way ahead of the Chiefs in their QB development process. And now we need to rebuild a front office. It might not result in a third-place finish in 2017 but for the long term it feels like we're currently in third place, until something changes.
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