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Old 07-24-2022, 05:02 PM   Topic Starter
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WWII. Deep dive into the The Tiger 1.
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Plenty of great stuff on YouTube about all things WWII. Try History Underground. Love his stuff.
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Old 07-25-2022, 11:47 AM   #8
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I was a tanker in the M1 during the Desert Storm era. The inside is cramped (yea, it's a tank), But damn luxurious when compared to that Tiger.

That would have SUCKED!!!!!

They point out a lot of salient issues...mainly maintenance.

I don't think people understand how often a tank breaks down. They are quite complex. Even during peace time, keeping all 14 tanks in the company operational was rough. Always 1-2 were down with something. The M1 is fairly modular. Fairly easy to fix. #1 The track and wheels are a MOFO. The worse case was throwing both tracks to the inside in 3 foot of mud at 2:00 am. Those tracks/wheels on the Tiger would be a total b*tch. #2 Transmission issues. They occur frequently. I can't even IMAGINE the tiger maintenance in the middle of battle.

The crew compartment size of the Tiger surprised me. It is quite important to be able to switch positions.

They illustrated those points well. Tank design is programed to fail at something. Armor, movement and fire power are the main constraints. They are pitted against each other. They noted that as well.

The key take away: Tiger fit the bill for its' designed purpose.

I am glad I didn't have to fight in it. I guess that would apply to most WWII tanks though!
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Watched an interview of a tank gunner who went up against a Tiger. He said something along the lines of.... His crew of 14 Sherman tanks came upon 1 Tiger tank. They fired on the Tiger and the shells were just bouncing off. That Tiger was firing and taking out 1 Sherman at a time from left to right. By the time the Tiger destroyed 4-5 tanks the others were exiting their Sherman tank having realized they were no match for the Tiger.

At least that is what I recall. Always thought that was an interesting story.
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Very cool. I had no idea that we captured one and sent it "home" for evaluation.
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Watched an interview of a tank gunner who went up against a Tiger. He said something along the lines of.... His crew of 14 Sherman tanks came upon 1 Tiger tank. They fired on the Tiger and the shells were just bouncing off. That Tiger was firing and taking out 1 Sherman at a time from left to right. By the time the Tiger destroyed 4-5 tanks the others were exiting their Sherman tank having realized they were no match for the Tiger.
I believe this is true. Keep in mind, our tanks, the Sherman, ran off gasoline vs diesel.

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The model proved itself somewhat effective against German Mk II and Mk IV Panzers, but it was thoroughly outclassed by the Tiger, Panther, and King Tiger tanks. Notorious for their flammability, Shermans were nicknamed “Ronsons” after a lighter with the slogan “lights every time.”
Another key point is visibility or lack there of. Tanks are notoriously "blind" when buttoned up. In built up/wooded areas requires infantry for their "eyes". The 2 main tank persons that have the best visibility are the driver and the tank commander when the hatches are open. It was demonstrated by how the Tiger could be driven with the hatch open position but not optimal. Also, it seemed the tank commander cupula had its issues too. The Sherman didn't have those drawbacks.

There roles were not the same. Whereas the Tiger was designed as a sniper asset (tank killer), they were forced into the assist role that the Sherman was designed for.

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The Sherman tank’s primary role was infantry support, spearheading attacks as well as bolstering defensive positions. Though frequently outgunned by their German counterparts, Shermans proved easier to maintain—often fixed on the battlefield. This particular tank, a rare M4A3E9 model (only a few hundred were built), carries appliqué armor for additional protection.
We had the advantage of numbers (sucks if you are a tanker) and nimbleness. Tiger attrition by breakdowns and the evolution of our tank tactics combined with air superiority helped sway the battle. Keep in mind, they mentioned a number of times about how slow the Tiger turret traversed. Thus our numbers and tactics benefitted from this. It didn't help that at the tail end of the Battle of the Bulge, the Germans were abandoning their tanks on the roads due to lack of fuel.

Though, according to Patton what won the war was the Jeep and the M1 Garand. I tried to verify this, but couldn't. Makes sense.
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Though, according to Patton what won the war was the Jeep and the M1 Garand. I tried to verify this, but couldn't. Makes sense.
You know what else Patton said? He said we are fighting the wrong enemy in this war.

It was extremely controversial. But was it wrong?
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Case in point on tactics. Sneaky bastards!

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Old 07-26-2022, 05:19 PM   #15
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I saw this a while back on the then Military Channel now AHC. Since I was a kid I have been interested in WWII stuff that led to one of my hobbies of building scale models. I love doing the research for the builds. Seeing the story about Gustav and Dora started a 8 to 10 year search for such a kit to build. Finally found one for a reasonable price.



Link to Soar Art 1/35 scale Kit

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/soar...ay-gun--115182
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