Chiefs Some things about The Bengals game...

Chris Meck · 12-04-2022, 06:45 PM

Boy that smarts. Can y'all stop calling them frauds now? They've beaten us three times in 13 months.

1. The pass rush was inexcusable. They doubled Jones all game and nobody else could get home. That's a recipe for disaster against Burrow, who, in my estimation is QB2 in the NFL. Yes, I'd absolutely take him over Josh Allen.

2. Chase looked like the same old Chase to me. He's pretty much a cheat code, especially if he's allowed to push off every down.

3. Kelce's fumble was a killer. He's won plenty of games for us with his heroics, so let's not belabor the fact, but that was a really bad moment.

4. I know everyone is frustrated with the defense, but for the most part it was poor execution, not schematic-especially in the second half. Coordinators coordinate, coaches coach, but players have to make plays. They didn't make enough of them. Period.

5. Wylie blows goats.

6. OBJ sure didn't help his case today.

7. We sure missed Thuney in there. I would think that the main reason they're still trotting out Wylie is that they don't want to have TWO new OL in there.

8. Mahomes just flat missed Mckinnon in the flat. Easy first down. I would not trade Mahomes for anything, but it is frustrating that he has this tendency. Just take the easy yards, man!

9. I love Pacheco. That's it. Just wanted to say that. We should have stuck with the run. It was working.

10. The silver lining? Well, it's a well worn saying that you learn more from failure than success. The Chiefs had plenty of opportunities to win this one; make any one of half a dozen 'oops' plays and they do. But perhaps this loss underlines some ongoing issues, and will usher in some changes. I'd rather lose this one now, if it makes them better later on.

Did I mention that Wylie blows goats?

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-04-2022, 06:46 PM

The Kelce fumble flipped the result. We still lose imo even if he hits the 55 yarder

smithandrew051 · 12-04-2022, 06:50 PM

The Kelce fumble is such a killer. That was the difference in the game.

**Bowser** · 12-04-2022, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

The Kelce fumble is such a killer. That was the difference in the game.

It really was.

Color Red · 12-05-2022, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

It really was.

Patrick was saying we have to take that kind of thing with the kind of play and production that Kelce brings. I disagree. There is never a reason to not take care of the football.

You can say the Bengal players made a play on Kelce and I don't disagree. I am certain tonight though that Travis knows he had to take care of that ball and he failed to do so.

That's the truth, Patrick.

ChiefsFanatic · 12-06-2022, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Color Red

Patrick was saying we have to take that kind of thing with the kind of play and production that Kelce brings. I disagree. There is never a reason to not take care of the football.

You can say the Bengal players made a play on Kelce and I don't disagree. I am certain tonight though that Travis knows he had to take care of that ball and he failed to do so.

That's the truth, Patrick.

I am pissed because now at least 3 of Kelce's career fumbles were on the exact same play.

There was absolutely nothing to be gained by trying to fight 6 guys, or however many, for an extra yard.

Just FN go down. Remember in SB 54, when Tyreek caught the long Jet Chip Wasp pass? He started to battle the defenders, and Sammy Watkins was running towards the play pointing and yelling for Tyreek to go down. That's the smart play.

I don't remember the specific games, but I know that before Sunday, Kelce lost at least 2 fumbles the same way, fighting for an extra yard or two. NOT fighting for a first down, because he already had the 1st, but just an extra yard or two.

He is the greatest TE of all-time, and I am beyond grateful that he is a Kansas City Chief, but this was just an ignorant play by a future HOFer.

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**Bowser** · 12-04-2022, 06:51 PM

Why in the blue hell was Karlaftis out in coverage on their go-ahead touchdown? That's some dumb****ery I'd expect out of Sutton, not Spags.

Toad · 12-04-2022, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Why in the blue hell was Karlaftis out in coverage on their go-ahead touchdown? That's some dumb****ery I'd expect out of Sutton, not Spags.

Right?!…and he was covering Chase!

rfaulk34 · 12-05-2022, 12:12 PM

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Right?!…and he was covering Chase!

Orlovsky pointed out this morning that the Bengals swapped personnel (positions) to create mismatches.

They had Chase in the backfield and Evans out wide to cause confusion in coverage.

Chris Meck · 12-04-2022, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Why in the blue hell was Karlaftis out in coverage on their go-ahead touchdown? That's some dumb****ery I'd expect out of Sutton, not Spags.

Ok, so every week, this gets mentioned, and what I'm picking up is that a lot of people don't understand what a zone blitz is.

You bring extra people in one area hoping to overload the blocking scheme (like, say, the left side of the offensive line) but that would leave nobody in coverage. So you drop guys from the other side into 'coverage'. Now the thing is, the overloaded blitz is SUPPOSED to force a quick throw. When it doesn't, this can look ugly.

The linemen that you've dropped in 'coverage' aren't really 'covering' anyone really, they're just basically clogging throwing lanes. Nobody's expecting Karlaftis to run with Chase and 'cover' him. The expectation is that the overloaded blocking forces a quick and errant throw before the QB has time to recognize just WHO that is blocking that throwing lane and determine that he's got a mismatch.

Pittsburgh ran this as a primary scheme for decades. It's theoretically very difficult to block.

But, as I say, when it doesn't work, it can look really bad.

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-05-2022, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Ok, so every week, this gets mentioned, and what I'm picking up is that a lot of people don't understand what a zone blitz is.

You bring extra people in one area hoping to overload the blocking scheme (like, say, the left side of the offensive line) but that would leave nobody in coverage. So you drop guys from the other side into 'coverage'. Now the thing is, the overloaded blitz is SUPPOSED to force a quick throw. When it doesn't, this can look ugly.

The linemen that you've dropped in 'coverage' aren't really 'covering' anyone really, they're just basically clogging throwing lanes. Nobody's expecting Karlaftis to run with Chase and 'cover' him. The expectation is that the overloaded blocking forces a quick and errant throw before the QB has time to recognize just WHO that is blocking that throwing lane and determine that he's got a mismatch.

Pittsburgh ran this as a primary scheme for decades. It's theoretically very difficult to block.

But, as I say, when it doesn't work, it can look really bad.

isn't that on spags? this didnt just happen once... also again due to zone coverages, Chase was able to line up away from Mcduffie and run slant routes across the middle without much opposition. the plan didn't seem to work... the score wasn't nearly as bad as it could've been.. they should've dropped a 40 burger on us had they not dropped an easy td and scored at the end instead of being able to kneel..

how can you be so sure these continued failures are only blamed on the players and not the plan because I am not so sure. on one hand you make excuses for spags then later you say it's ugly when it doesn't work. well if the plan isn't working maybe it needs changed?

displacedinMN · 12-04-2022, 06:57 PM

Did we not play with as much emotion or did they over power us.

it sucked.

**Bowser** · 12-04-2022, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN

Did we not play with as much emotion or did they over power us.

it sucked.

Mostly self-inflicted, imho.

CatfishBob2 · 12-04-2022, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN

Did we not play with as much emotion or did they over power us.

it sucked.

I noticed the bad body language except for Pacheco, I wonder if they really were sick

**Bowser** · 12-04-2022, 06:59 PM

And yeah, we need to upgrade both offensive tackle spots, somehow.

12-04-2022, 06:45 PM	Topic Starter
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1195090	Some things about The Bengals game... Boy that smarts. Can y'all stop calling them frauds now? They've beaten us three times in 13 months. 1. The pass rush was inexcusable. They doubled Jones all game and nobody else could get home. That's a recipe for disaster against Burrow, who, in my estimation is QB2 in the NFL. Yes, I'd absolutely take him over Josh Allen. 2. Chase looked like the same old Chase to me. He's pretty much a cheat code, especially if he's allowed to push off every down. 3. Kelce's fumble was a killer. He's won plenty of games for us with his heroics, so let's not belabor the fact, but that was a really bad moment. 4. I know everyone is frustrated with the defense, but for the most part it was poor execution, not schematic-especially in the second half. Coordinators coordinate, coaches coach, but players have to make plays. They didn't make enough of them. Period. 5. Wylie blows goats. 6. OBJ sure didn't help his case today. 7. We sure missed Thuney in there. I would think that the main reason they're still trotting out Wylie is that they don't want to have TWO new OL in there. 8. Mahomes just flat missed Mckinnon in the flat. Easy first down. I would not trade Mahomes for anything, but it is frustrating that he has this tendency. Just take the easy yards, man! 9. I love Pacheco. That's it. Just wanted to say that. We should have stuck with the run. It was working. 10. The silver lining? Well, it's a well worn saying that you learn more from failure than success. The Chiefs had plenty of opportunities to win this one; make any one of half a dozen 'oops' plays and they do. But perhaps this loss underlines some ongoing issues, and will usher in some changes. I'd rather lose this one now, if it makes them better later on. Did I mention that Wylie blows goats?
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