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Old 05-25-2023, 10:50 AM   Topic Starter
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We shouldn't sleep on John Ross.
I keep coming back to something, because I see in all these threads we are making assumptions about the approaching WR depth chart.

Toney
MVS
Moore
Rice

The above four are locks. I think we can agree that Justin Watson is not a lock but is close to one, as the Chiefs love the depth he offers and his special teams work as well.

The Chiefs will carry 6 WRs on the roster, maybe 7, and the talents left are:
  • Richie James
  • Ihmir Smith-Marsette (former 2021 5th round Viking pick, was on Chiefs PS, activated for the Week 18 game)
  • Justyn Ross (2022 UDFA)
  • Nikko Remigio (2023 UDFA)
  • Ty Fryfogle (2022 Cowboys UDFA, cut in 2022 August, signed to futures contract in January)
And John Ross.

To remind all of you, Justin Ross is 27 years old, was drafted 9th overall by the Bengals in 2017. Prior to that, he set the Combine record for the 40 yard dash, running a 4.22, including an elite 1.49 10-yard split (only two receivers beat that split at the Combine this year, and -- oddly enough -- Rashee Rice actually tied that).

Ross went on to be a colossal bust, recording exactly one touch his rookie season, which he fumbled. He has battled injuries and a decent Bengals depth chart to record 62 receptions for 957 yards in his career so far, recording a completion on merely 43% of his targets. He's also recorded three fumbles, which means 5% of his touches, he's fumbling. He was a Giant for the 2021 season, and spent the 2022 season out of football until the Chiefs signed him in January.

This is a pretty grisly career, but I think he's got a chance to be a sleeper for the Chiefs roster, but only if the Chiefs choose to roster 7 WRs -- which they rarely do, especially when they have four TEs already that they really like.

Ross may be worth the 7th slot, however.
  • Pacheco was our primary kick returner, but that doesn't seem viable anymore given that he is now the #1 RB.
  • Andy Reid always loves having a speed demon gadget player on the roster:
    Dexter McCluster in 2013
    De'Anthony Thomas in 2014-2015
    Tyreek Hill, who became more than that, 2015-2021
    Mecole Hardman in 2019-2022
    Kadarious Toney in 2022
    There is simply no option on the roster who is a pure fit for that Z receiver gadget speedster role that Andy Reid covets. Toney is a #1 WR this year, MVS is a deep threat, not a twitchy gadget, Skyy Moore doesn't have that kind of speed, and Jerrion Ealy is an unknown.
Now, I don't think John Ross can replicate even what Mecole Hardman did.

But ask yourself: can he replicate what De'Anthony Thomas did? I think the answer to that is yes.

I think he's a wild gamble, and as such I wouldn't take him over Richie James for the #6 spot. But hey, if the Chiefs elect to roster a 7th WR, he's got an advantage over the other WRs in that there is a clear need that, in theory, he alone can fill at this time.
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Old 05-25-2023, 10:57 AM   #2
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Ya know, you can post these threads in the lounge.

This is starting to feel real "Safe spacey".
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Old 05-25-2023, 11:07 AM   #3
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You forgot about Watson...
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Old 05-25-2023, 11:17 AM   #4
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You forgot about Watson...
I threw Watson in there.
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Old 05-25-2023, 11:34 AM   #5
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Ngl it would be epic to have John Ross help us end the Bengals season again after they took him the pick before Mahomes
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Anyone notice our collection of former Giants receivers?

Our WR group is comprised of players that many considered the two worst receiving groups in all of football two seasons ago; the Giants and Packers.

MVS -Packers
Toney - Giants
James - Giants
Ross - Giants
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Heh. I didn’t catch that at all.

That’s pretty fascinating. I guess there’s a ton of overlap between our schemes.

There’s a lot of overlap with our defenses as well.
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McCluster and Thomas weren't fast, they were just small. They were small and slow.
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McCluster and Thomas weren't fast, they were just small. They were small and slow.
They were quick and shifty. Not really straight line fast.
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McCluster and Thomas weren't fast, they were just small. They were small and slow.
Slow ? Seriously ? I don't know how 4.44 which is what dexter ran at his pro day and 4.39 which DAT ran at his pro day is considered slow.

Dexter had a three cone drill of 6.73 and DAT's was 6.94.

How is that considered slow ?
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Slow ? Seriously ? I don't know how 4.44 which is what dexter ran at his pro day and 4.39 which DAT ran at his pro day is considered slow.

Dexter had a three cone drill of 6.73 and DAT's was 6.94.

How is that considered slow ?
Damn. I wasn’t draftubating back then. I’d always assumed dexter was like a 4.5 guy watching him play.
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Slow ? Seriously ? I don't know how 4.44 which is what dexter ran at his pro day and 4.39 which DAT ran at his pro day is considered slow.

Dexter had a three cone drill of 6.73 and DAT's was 6.94.

How is that considered slow ?
Sure they may have been fast in just shorts, but they didn't look like 4.4 guys in pads. They both looked slow as shit and were tiny little bitches.
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Slow ? Seriously ? I don't know how 4.44 which is what dexter ran at his pro day and 4.39 which DAT ran at his pro day is considered slow.

Dexter had a three cone drill of 6.73 and DAT's was 6.94.

How is that considered slow ?
That's not slow, but if you have no sense of balance or even just a tiny amount of power, you better damn well make up for it in speed and breakaway. And McCluster just never had enough.

Dexter never had the extra gear we needed from him. It's why he was a lot more effective when Andy came around because he used him as a short/midrange guy who could use his quick change of direction bullshit off the line, get some yards, maybe make a guy miss if there was a mismatch, and call it a day. That's still not much, but it's at least a use that he had compared to the ineffective garbage we ran with him out of the backfield under Haley. In those instances I'd say he was a downright hindrance because he took those backfield touches away from Charles, who would/could actually do something with them.
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Slow ? Seriously ? I don't know how 4.44 which is what dexter ran at his pro day and 4.39 which DAT ran at his pro day is considered slow.

Dexter had a three cone drill of 6.73 and DAT's was 6.94.

How is that considered slow ?
According to the NFL, Dexter ran a 4.58 at the combine in the 40 at 172 pounds and De'Anthony was a 4.5 at 174 pounds. With those speeds, you need to be about 75 pounds heavier.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dexter...5-779de52fb7cb

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/de'ant...7-1e2e24294c99
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