Offensive struggles the last 2 years are personnel driven, not coaching

[RunKC]

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

[Why Not?]

Kareem did great for us, under the circumstances. If they want him back to be what he was in Cleveland, that’s fine. Pacheco either is still not fully recovered or he is in pumpkin mode. Either way, we need a true lead back.

[New World Order]

We’ve drafted around the 30th pick in the first round for the last 6 drafts.

We traded for or signed multiple players IN-SEASON this year.

Pretty remarkable we’ve been able to hold it together for this long

[notorious]

Originally Posted by New World Order

We’ve drafted around the 30th pick in the first round for the last 6 drafts.

We traded for or signed multiple players IN-SEASON this year.

Pretty remarkable we’ve been able to hold it together for this long

This all day.

Amazing job by everyone from ownership down. Just went through the greatest stretch of success in NFL history FFS.

[Gary Cooper]

They've gotten away with patchwork WRs in back to back SB runs and tried the same with this Thuney/Caliendo tandem on the left side. Just didn't work this time.

[FloridaMan88]

Paying premium $$$ for 3/5’s of the offensive line, while trying to get by on the cheap at LT is a flawed premise.

Especially when one of those highly paid players… Thuney and his 5th highest AAV among left guards has to be moved to LT.

[DRM08]

5 different guys at Left Tackle the last 2 seasons. You ended up having to downgrade your Left Guard situation when you moved the starting LG to play Left Tackle. Too much of a revolving door at the Left Tackle spot. Other contending teams have a much more stable situation at Left Tackle.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

We still got dumb bitches in here talking about not giving up on Kingsley.

Bret has had one great draft and that's it.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

We still got dumb bitches in here talking about not giving up on Kingsley.

Bret has had one great draft and that's it.

This is so dumb. They have picked last in every rd. There isn’t a true blue chip player that is available that late.

Creed and Trey are excellent draft picks. Rashee was looking like a star in the making. Worthy looks like a star too.

Even Pacheco before his injury this year has been really good with explosive plays.

He isn’t terrible drafting

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

We still got dumb bitches in here talking about not giving up on Kingsley.

Bret has had one great draft and that's it.

Because you don’t give up on the one ****ing guy on the team with the tools and the frame to actually play LT after one disappointing season.

No, you don’t bank on him, but you continue to give him a chance to break into that spot.

If a great tackle you like comes your way in the draft or if you have a reasonable method of trading up to get him, sure, go ahead. If your confident solution is a guy in free agency, sure by all means.

But you don’t flush Kingsley down the goddamn toilet when there’s a history of LTs being bad their rookie seasons in this league.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Because you don’t give up on the one ****ing guy on the team with the tools and the frame to actually play LT after one disappointing season.

No, you don’t bank on him, but you continue to give him a chance to break into that spot.

If a great tackle you like comes your way in the draft or if you have a reasonable method of trading up to get him, sure, go ahead. If your confident solution is a guy in free agency, sure by all means.

But you don’t flush Kingsley down the goddamn toilet when there’s a history of LTs being bad their rookie seasons in this league.

Kingsley was historically bad. Sure, don’t flush him. But it’s not an “IF” you find a better option in FA or the draft, it’s an absolute necessity. Allow KS to compete and maybe he steps in in 2026 at RT after Taylor is shown the door or maybe he takes over at RG. But going into 2025 without a very clear upgrade at LT is a fireable offense . Figure it out or find someone else who can, end of story.

[Fishpicker]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

We still got dumb bitches in here talking about not giving up on Kingsley.

Bret has had one great draft and that's it.

We shouldn't give up on Kingsley. He can develop. I remember Fisher looked like dog shit for several years. Even at right tackle he looked bad

[JohnnyV13]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

We still got dumb bitches in here talking about not giving up on Kingsley.

Bret has had one great draft and that's it.

Ummm...I think you have to give him credit for at least 2 great drafts: 2022 AND 2021.


2021 had Nick Bolton and Creed Humphrey in the 2nd round. Noah Gray in the 5th and Trey Smith in the 6th.

Getting an above average MLB who is a playmaker due to his, plus two top 5 players at their positions in Humphrey and Trey Smith should be recognized. I also think Noah Gray could be an average starter at TE. He's not Travis Kelce or Tony G, but he's good enough to start for most teams.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Idk how anyone cannot see this.

Andy Reid stood at the combine in 2023 and said Skyy Moore and Kadarius Toney were their top WR’s. We saw how that went.

In fact, can anyone tell me without looking what WR has had the most snaps of any Chiefs WR the last 2 seasons? Anyone? Ready for it? It’s Justin Watson. Nobody has played more snaps at that position than him the last 2 years.

Don’t even get me started on the OL. A late 3rd and late 2nd on tackles are considered projects. They are not real shots at a LT historically speaking. Shocking that they turned out to look like projects.
We have had 5 starting LT’s the last 2 years. FIVE.

The RB room had the least explosive plays of any RB room in the entire league. Only 17 10+ explosive plays all year. We even had some loser with an Alligator that plays FB take starting snaps

I get that it sucked losing Pacheco, Hollywood and Rashee. I understand and am not faulting Veach. The fact is that Kareem Hunt, Juju, DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelce are old. They aren’t explosive anymore. That was painfully clear tonight. It’s why Veach doesn’t like signing 30+ year old players unless he absolutely has to.

Again this isn’t a Veach bitch fest it’s just the facts. I think Veach is gonna take a hammer to this offense and hard after OL and explosive playmakers.

Thankfully he’s got an extra pick early thanks to Sneed

LT is priority #1 for this organization while Mahomes is at QB, and should be treated as such. Learning the harsh LT lesson again in the Superbowl has been really rough, you'd think these front office guys making many $ millions would know this. Clark Hunt needs to spare no expense in doing whatever needs to be done to fix the OL, if that means bringing in external OL gurus to help Veach who sucks at drafting OL he should do that. We only have so much time with Mahomes to win championships

[OKchiefs]

It doesn't have to be either or. Yes, the talent is extremely deficient on offense. No RBs, receivers are still subpar, No explosive option at TE anymore, and the tackles are some of the worst in the league.

That being said, the coaches are not doing the players any favors. I'm a believer in Andy Heck being a huge problem on the OL. I still don't like Connor Embree. Who knows what Bleymaier does as passing game coordinator. Nagy is probably just a puppet. Reid's offense has gotten stale and boring. Playcalling is not good. They don't stick wtih the run, players often execute poorly (yes that's on the players but the coaches also don't get them ready). It's not just a single issue, it's a culmination of a lot of problems that all reared their ugly heads at once.