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Old 10-02-2003, 02:27 PM   Topic Starter
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Hunting type things.....

Its fall. Bow season has opened in at least Missouri and Iowania. I thought we could discuss related topics. Tips, braggin', near misses....

relay your hunting stories, pics and tips here.

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Old 10-02-2003, 02:42 PM   #2
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Its fall. Bow season has opened in at least Missouri and Iowania. I thought we could discuss related topics. Tips, braggin', near misses....

I'm also interested in tips for a first timer in starting the training of a bird dog....in my particular case...yellow lab pup(40lbs now) that is "pointing" and locking up on the neighbor's pidgeons....I didn't know a "retreiver" would do that.....what do you need to do to start them on pheasant/quail?

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I have been training retrievers as an amature for about 10 years. Both for field trial and gun dogs. I have two labs at present. Have had others that were trained and sold.

Labs from certain breeds (I should say line not breed) will point. It isn't new but some folks who have dogs that follow this characteristic are trying to get them recognized as a true line. One of my labs points on occasion when hunting pheasants. But I feel that is just an individual characteristic of that particular dog. Most of the time she blows right through the bird trying to eat it. If it can't fly or climb a tree, it will get caught.

I always start my dogs off early with pigeons. Around 6-7 weeks old. I start obediance training at 4 months and bird dog training at 6 months.


Important factors for training bird dogs is teaching the dog to hunt for a bird that has been knocked down. This drill, in my opinion is the single most important skill a dog can learn. And it can be done in the back yard.

We started our regular waterfowl season here last Sat. We have an early goose season that started 1 Sep. We slayed 'em. I should post up some pictures of the 'ol Duck Dog with his real duck dogs.


I'm actually guiding a pheasant hunt in Iowa this year. Around Mason City. I've never hunted there, so I'm really excited about it.
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:08 PM   #3
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I train pointing dogs in Oklahoma. I start with wing training @ 10 weeks and have pups pointing and retrieving @ 4 months. The most important command you teach a young pointing dog is the whoa command. Quial season opened in Oklahoma today and I shot a limit over 2 seven month old German Shorthairs today.
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Old 11-15-2009, 01:46 AM   #4
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I train pointing dogs in Oklahoma. I start with wing training @ 10 weeks and have pups pointing and retrieving @ 4 months. The most important command you teach a young pointing dog is the whoa command. Quial season opened in Oklahoma today and I shot a limit over 2 seven month old German Shorthairs today.
I have a palce to stay over at Fort Supply. There's a big conservation area close to there. Will I find any birds there?

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Old 10-02-2003, 02:44 PM   #5
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Bow season for Deer just started here in KS too yesterday and I was in my treestand right after I got off of work. I didnt sit there five minutes and two does came by me into the milo field...they lingered out of range for about 10 minutes and then came back by me, but this time they came within my shooting lane and...WHAMMO...good shot. I waited 30mins before I got down out of my stand, found he arrow and commenced to trailing her, knowing that I had a good shot on her I fully expected to go over the next hill and drag her out, but NO, she slowly walked and walked, crossed a river (with just enough water to come over the top of my boots), up a 12 foot bank, through more junk, down into a muddy creek bed....then we lost the trail after tracking her for 3 hours! I went back this morning, found last blood and began tracking again...she climbed in and out of a 15 foot bank two more times and I finally found her 80 yds from where we stopped looking...coyotes had a feast. I was disappointed and my buddies said that is just part of hunting but I dont feel right about it. I know that I did all I could to take this game properly but luck wasnt on my side this time.
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Old 10-02-2003, 02:48 PM   #6
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BigVE, I've done a lot of hunting around central Kansas.

I heard there are tons of ducks already there. I won't be able to get down there until late November. I hunt mainly the Clay Center area. I love Kansas so much more than Minnesota.
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Old 10-02-2003, 03:00 PM   #7
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BigVE, I've done a lot of hunting around central Kansas.

I heard there are tons of ducks already there. I won't be able to get down there until late November. I hunt mainly the Clay Center area. I love Kansas so much more than Minnesota.
I live 3 miles from Cheyenne Bottom and 15 miles from Quivira Wildlife refuge so with these two places in such close proximity there are literally thousands and thousands of birds that migrate through here. I am not much into the duck/goose hunting but I know at different times last year there were over 200,000 ducks and geese at both of these locations and one a couple of occasions estimates were around 500,000! Duck hunting is VERY popular here and guys come from all over the country to hunt here and its in my back yard basically and I dont even hunt for them....go figure. I am looking forward to pheasant season but thats about it for my bird hunting...i have a buddy that has a dog that was trained by some guy who has trained several field champions...it s a blast just to watch the dog do its thing.
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Old 10-02-2003, 03:14 PM   #8
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I live 3 miles from Cheyenne Bottom and 15 miles from Quivira Wildlife refuge so with these two places in such close proximity there are literally thousands and thousands of birds that migrate through here. I am not much into the duck/goose hunting but I know at different times last year there were over 200,000 ducks and geese at both of these locations and one a couple of occasions estimates were around 500,000! Duck hunting is VERY popular here and guys come from all over the country to hunt here and its in my back yard basically and I dont even hunt for them....go figure. I am looking forward to pheasant season but thats about it for my bird hunting...i have a buddy that has a dog that was trained by some guy who has trained several field champions...it s a blast just to watch the dog do its thing.

I've hunted there many times. Used to have permission to hunt just north of Turners. Not sure if you know where taht is. But most around there do.

Now that I'm out of state, I hunt just a few spots a year in Kansas. All private ground around the Milford wetlands. beautiful country.
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Old 10-02-2003, 03:19 PM   #9
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i have a buddy that has a dog that was trained by some guy who has trained several field champions...it s a blast just to watch the dog do its thing.
My favorite part of bird hunting. Great dog work makes for great times.
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Old 10-02-2003, 03:43 PM   #10
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I've hunted there many times. Used to have permission to hunt just north of Turners. Not sure if you know where taht is. But most around there do.

Now that I'm out of state, I hunt just a few spots a year in Kansas. All private ground around the Milford wetlands. beautiful country.
I like the Milford area its really nice. I have a few buddies that hunt around turners on occasion...its a popular spot.
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2 questions for you. 1. Where did you hit the doe? Could you tell or was the body too mangled? 2. What type of broadheads are you using.
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The makers of the tri-tronics shock collars have a book about retriever training. Half the book is about collar training, but the other half is about regular training for hunting purposes. The non-collar portion is very good.

If you want an obedient dog in the field you have to drill the basic obedience at home. By "drill" I don't mean to connote a heavy hand, but just that you have to sometimes keep reverting back to the basics.
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Old 10-03-2003, 06:48 PM   #13
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2 questions for you. 1. Where did you hit the doe? Could you tell or was the body too mangled? 2. What type of broadheads are you using.
Chiefnj: The doe was pretty well messed up/ate up, but I could tell that I had hit her high and back a bit...as for the broadheads, well thats where I was a bit irritated. I ordered some new broadheads from Cabela's but they were here for opening day so I borrowed an older but brand new broadhead from a friend...I DID take the time to sight my bow in using this broadhead, not sure what kind it was...maybe a "twister"...? I do know that if I had made a bit better shot it would not have mattered what kind of broadhead I used. I finally got my new broadheads yesterday, Im using the Magnus Stinger four blade 100gr, will report back on how THIS one works. lol By the way, I was sighting my bow in today and these were the best flying broadheads that I have ever tried/seen, on the package it says that they should fly as well or better than even mechanical broadheads...so far so good.
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Old 10-02-2003, 02:59 PM   #14
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Bow season for Deer just started here in KS too yesterday and I was in my treestand right after I got off of work. I didnt sit there five minutes and two does came by me into the milo field...they lingered out of range for about 10 minutes and then came back by me, but this time they came within my shooting lane and...WHAMMO...good shot. I waited 30mins before I got down out of my stand, found he arrow and commenced to trailing her, knowing that I had a good shot on her I fully expected to go over the next hill and drag her out, but NO, she slowly walked and walked, crossed a river (with just enough water to come over the top of my boots), up a 12 foot bank, through more junk, down into a muddy creek bed....then we lost the trail after tracking her for 3 hours! I went back this morning, found last blood and began tracking again...she climbed in and out of a 15 foot bank two more times and I finally found her 80 yds from where we stopped looking...coyotes had a feast. I was disappointed and my buddies said that is just part of hunting but I dont feel right about it. I know that I did all I could to take this game properly but luck wasnt on my side this time.
I had a similar experience a few years back. I was walking a new area and crouched behind a big fallen tree overlooking a river bottom. I wasn't there 5 minutes and a nice doe came within 40 feet down the hill. I got a nice shot, waited a while, went the other direction and got my buddy. We started tracking about 9:00 am, I ended up crossing a creek that was up to my chest and was actually able to pick up the blood trail on the other side, but couldn't locate the deer. I went back the next day and looked for several more hours and never did find the deer.
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I do my bowhunting w/ a 12 gauge.
LC Smith, kinda old.

Seriously, I don't think I could get close enough to bag any game w/ a bow. Sounds like a hoot though...

Can't wait to go w/ the old man.
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