Todd Haley going back to the Cardinals?

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mikejureckiMike Jurecki

Hearing Todd Haley is on the Cardinals radar .... the plot thickens. #justsayin


Cardinals plan to speak with Haley about return

Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt is expected to talk to former Chiefs coach Todd Haley about a position on the Cardinals coaching staff, according to NFL sources.

Haley, the Cardinals offensive coordinator from 2007 through 2009, was fired by the Chiefs in December when the Chiefs had a 5-8 record. Haley was 19-27 as a head coach and his Chiefs team won the AFC West title in 2010.

Haley and Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt have been friends for years, and Haley was offensive coordinator in 2008 and 2009 when the Cardinals won consecutive NFC West titles.

It’s unknown what title Haley would have should he return to the Cardinals, but he likely would be place in charge of the offense again.

The Cardinals have not been nearly as good on offense since Haley left, but his departure also coincided with the retirement of quarterback Kurt Warner. The Cardinals have had four different starting quarterbacks since Warner retired.

When Haley left, Mike Miller was promoted from receivers coach to passing game coordinator. Russ Grimm was assistant head coach/offensive line and run game coordinator. After that season, Miller was promoted to offensive coordinator, while Grimm remained assistant head coach. He continued to have a strong influence on the offensive game plan.

Whisenhunt would have to create a position for Haley, which would mean either re-organizing his existing coaching staff or adding a coach.

Haley is fiery and emotional, and several Cardinals players, including receiver Larry Fitzgerald, credit Haley with challenging them to become better players.

Haley, however, can be an acquired taste, and not everyone develops it. Haley and Chiefs General Manager Scott Pioli reportedly had a contentious relationship, a factor that played into Haley’s dismissal.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I can tell you this with 100% confidence, Pioli never forced a single coach on Haley during the 3 years.

Weis and Romeo were both Haley's calls. Not Pioli. Pioli supported the idea, but it was Haley that wanted them.

Haley is continually criticized for "not getting along" with Gailey.

Gailey absolutely WAS forced on him - sure Clark "asked" for Haley to give Chan a chance but be realistic. What was a first-time head coach going to tell his new boss, no?

Let's just be honest about things. Haley was a terrible coach. And he was hired by a front office that has to have a near perfect offseason at this point to prove that they're not terrible as well.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I can tell you this with 100% confidence, Pioli never forced a single coach on Haley during the 3 years.

Weis and Romeo were both Haley's calls. Not Pioli. Pioli supported the idea, but it was Haley that wanted them.

That's at odds with what Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports tweeted. IIRC, he indicated that Pioli forced Weis on Haley, and on top of that, once Weis got here, he thought Cassel was such dog crap he didn't work with him, and left it to Haley to be QB coach.

[CoMoChief]

Actually, none of us really know if coaches were forced upon Haley or not. Maybe Gailey but that assumption can be made just because he was left over from the previous regime. What we all do know is that Haley's ego got a major boost after riding Fitz and Warner's coat tails in ARZ, and he brought that to KC. I do think that Cassel was forced upon him. I honestly can't think of scenario where Haley came into KC and said "We need to give up a 2nd pick to get Matt Cassel". That was a 150% Pioli move. But as far as coaches, I just think Haley had a huge problem with delegating and had a little too much on his plate. He was never able to get his hand out of the playcalling cookie jar, and would piss, moan, cuss, and bitch at his coaches about it on the sidelines during games, as if there wasn't enough chaos on the sidelines already. At times he acted like a child. I just don't think he was at all ready to be an NFL coach. Trying to be a hardass like Parcells often doesn't work too well in today's NFL, which is pretty much what got him fired.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't understand why we have to try to mythologize the guy and make a shit ton of excuses for him. The truth is that Haley was an abysmal HC; it really is that simple.

I don't think anybody's mythologizing the guy.

It's just against points like yours that say the guy is terrible. I thought he was a decent coach in KC, with some significant flaws. Many of those flaws may not have been flaws with a different front office. Many of those flaws could have been correctable over time.

But what we do know is that he was crippled by a lousy QB that was forced on to him, he didn't get much personnel support from the front office, and he was a part of a front office that's very controlling. I would have liked to have seen him grow unimpeded and see if he could correct those things, especially with a better QB. YOu have to be able to deal with bad situations, but you also have to recognize a bad situation when it presents itself.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

That's at odds with what Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports tweeted. IIRC, he indicated that Pioli forced Weis on Haley, and on top of that, once Weis got here, he thought Cassel was such dog crap he didn't work with him, and left it to Haley to be QB coach.

This

Robinson had first hand knowledge of the situation, too. Iirc

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

That's at odds with what Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports tweeted. IIRC, he indicated that Pioli forced Weis on Haley, and on top of that, once Weis got here, he thought Cassel was such dog crap he didn't work with him, and left it to Haley to be QB coach.

sounds like something a draftubator would make up

Just how in hell does Robinson know what is happening inside Arrowhead when Pioli keeps it on lockdown like fort knox?

Amazingly the guy that posted it on SportNation has the same exact avatar as the guy who posted it here. ( http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=8427851&p=1 )

Every story i found about it eventually gets linked back to the same tweet by the same guy.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Robinson had first hand knowledge of the situation, too. Iirc

link

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

That's at odds with what Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports tweeted. IIRC, he indicated that Pioli forced Weis on Haley, and on top of that, once Weis got here, he thought Cassel was such dog crap he didn't work with him, and left it to Haley to be QB coach.

It's not what i was told, but Robinson has just about better sources than anyone so I'll trust what he said.

[JCharles1981]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

You wanna suck off Fisher but he took over a good roster 7-9,8-8,8-8

Haley took over a crap roster 4-12,10-6,5-7 all with GM that wouldn't leave him alone.

Fisher never did better than 8-8 as a head coach, and you think he's better than Haley? Fisher went 8-8 twice with almost all of his team's starters, while Haley went 10-6 last year with every Chiefs player being healthy. I imagine it might have been the same this year had Eric Berry, Tony Moeaki, and Jamaal Charles had not been injured the entire season.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by JCharles1981

Fisher never did better than 8-8 as a head coach, and you think he's better than Haley?

He went 13-3 three times.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Laz

sounds like something a draftubator would make up

Just how in hell does Robinson know what is happening inside Arrowhead when Pioli keeps it on lockdown like fort knox?

, this place is full of people including you, who think they know what is going on at One Arrowhead Drive so how you can even use that argument is the most ironic thing ever posted on CP and that's saying something.



You have told me you know exactly what Muir is doing and thinking while being OC.

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CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Both Haley & Pioli have reps for wearing on those who work for/with them. Joining them was like storing matches w/ dynamite. Inevitable.
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Bottom line, both Haley and Pioli have tremendous egos. They were going to end up resenting each other and struggling over credit/blame.
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Charlie Weis hire was second crack. It's a miracle Weis & Todd Haley didn't kill each other. Repeatedly sparred on Matt Cassel's development
12 Dec




CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Todd Haley was never 100-percent on Tyson Jackson pick. He wanted best player available, not a system D-end. & he wasn't good at hiding it.
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Todd Haley's departure in KC no surprise. You could see early on this wasn't a marriage made to last. First crack was Tyson Jackson pick.


CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
That's part of why Weis left after 2010. Haley couldn't coexist w/ him. Nor was Haley happy Weis was getting credit 4 Haley's work w/ Cassel
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Cassel did not excel under Weis. That coaching job was done by Haley. Weis washed his hands of Cassel's development very early.
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Then when Cassel started making strides in 2010, and Weis was getting credit for it in the media, it drove Haley nuts. And Weis had to go.
12 Dec


CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
After arguing with Haley, Weis washed his hands of Cassel's development in early in 2010 & Haley took over those duties.


CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Local take that Weis was in Cassel's corner and Haley wasn't is completely false. That's a myth perpetuated to undercut Haley at the end.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Both Haley & Pioli have reps for wearing on those who work for/with them. Joining them was like storing matches w/ dynamite. Inevitable.
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Bottom line, both Haley and Pioli have tremendous egos. They were going to end up resenting each other and struggling over credit/blame.
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Charlie Weis hire was second crack. It's a miracle Weis & Todd Haley didn't kill each other. Repeatedly sparred on Matt Cassel's development
12 Dec




CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Todd Haley was never 100-percent on Tyson Jackson pick. He wanted best player available, not a system D-end. & he wasn't good at hiding it.
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Todd Haley's departure in KC no surprise. You could see early on this wasn't a marriage made to last. First crack was Tyson Jackson pick.


CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
That's part of why Weis left after 2010. Haley couldn't coexist w/ him. Nor was Haley happy Weis was getting credit 4 Haley's work w/ Cassel
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Cassel did not excel under Weis. That coaching job was done by Haley. Weis washed his hands of Cassel's development very early.
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Then when Cassel started making strides in 2010, and Weis was getting credit for it in the media, it drove Haley nuts. And Weis had to go.
12 Dec


CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
After arguing with Haley, Weis washed his hands of Cassel's development in early in 2010 & Haley took over those duties.


CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Local take that Weis was in Cassel's corner and Haley wasn't is completely false. That's a myth perpetuated to undercut Haley at the end.

The funniest part of all of this is CP was sure Weis was the reason for Cassel's success last year and blamed Haley for running off Weis as the main reason Cassel stepped back this year.

From everything I can see so far, CP doesn't know shit about football.

Teams we should be emulating per CP like Atlanta, The Jets, and Bucs either suck or still can't win a playoff game just like KC.

[Royal Fanatic]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Both Haley & Pioli have reps for wearing on those who work for/with them. Joining them was like storing matches w/ dynamite. Inevitable.
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Bottom line, both Haley and Pioli have tremendous egos. They were going to end up resenting each other and struggling over credit/blame.
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Charlie Weis hire was second crack. It's a miracle Weis & Todd Haley didn't kill each other. Repeatedly sparred on Matt Cassel's development
12 Dec




CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Todd Haley was never 100-percent on Tyson Jackson pick. He wanted best player available, not a system D-end. & he wasn't good at hiding it.
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Todd Haley's departure in KC no surprise. You could see early on this wasn't a marriage made to last. First crack was Tyson Jackson pick.


CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
That's part of why Weis left after 2010. Haley couldn't coexist w/ him. Nor was Haley happy Weis was getting credit 4 Haley's work w/ Cassel
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Cassel did not excel under Weis. That coaching job was done by Haley. Weis washed his hands of Cassel's development very early.
12 Dec



CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Then when Cassel started making strides in 2010, and Weis was getting credit for it in the media, it drove Haley nuts. And Weis had to go.
12 Dec


CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
After arguing with Haley, Weis washed his hands of Cassel's development in early in 2010 & Haley took over those duties.


CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson
Local take that Weis was in Cassel's corner and Haley wasn't is completely false. That's a myth perpetuated to undercut Haley at the end.

I call bullshit on this. It doesn't ring true because (1) Cassel played his best football when Weis was here, (2) Cassel turned to shit immediately after Weis announced that he was leaving, (3) Haley and Cassel never got along, and (4) Weis and Cassel got along great. Cassel sent Weis a text message congratulating him when Weis got the head coaching job at KU.

This sounds a lot more like revisionist history, and I would bet anything that Todd Haley was Charles Robinson's "source".

It just doesn't ring true.

[FringeNC]

Interesting minor point is that Weis evidently thought Cassel couldn't play...I wonder how many insiders have told Pioli similar things about Cassel, yet Pioli won't listen.