KK wrong about success of ASG

[KingPriest2]

Remember when we were awarded the ASG and KK said that KC will be a embarrassment? Then last summer a article in SI had a player talking about coming here and some players weren't sure. KK took off with that as ammo saying we shouldn't host the game?

Now he s saying that he expected it

[gblowfish]

Just like I said earlier, here's another JoCo Bozo complaining about something that barely affects his wallet. I asked for property tax receipt to establish residency, I never said thats how the improvements were financed. Jackson County voted to renovate both Arrowhead and Kauffman Stadiums in 2007 following the passage of a 3/8-cent sales tax increase in a referendum. Notice that tax was passed in JACKSON County. Johnson County continues to freeload on what other parts of the city build to add to the communal good. Locals who live in city of KC south of the river, locals who live in Independence (my home town) or Sugar Creek, or Lee's Summit, or Blue Springs, or Buckner, or (your favorite suburb) Raytown, put their money where their mouth is and passed a tax to keep Kauffman Stadium looking good and viable as a MLB park. We buy our groceries, gas, clothes, hardware, most everything in JACKSON county. So STFD and about who "paid" for this thing.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

The Cell was built across the street.

The Cubs are more popular because Cubs games are events what with the stadium being built in the middle of an entertainment district and all.

If there were no Cubs, the White Sox would be just as full as the what the Cubs currenty receive. And again, Chicago is so much bigger than KC, especially in what would be considered downtown, that you cannot even compare the two. And it isn't just about who works downtown, its about the amount of people living there as well that boosts the attendance.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

The Cell was built across the street.

The Cubs are more popular because Cubs games are events what with the stadium being built in the middle of an entertainment district and all.

Wrigley Field was built in the middle of an entertainment district?

In 1914?

[Brock]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Wrigley Field was built in the middle of an entertainment district?

In 1914?

[Dartgod]

Am I missing something here, or did downtown Chicago used to be further north?

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Wrigley Field was built in the middle of an entertainment district?

In 1914?

Actually, it was built "in the midst of one of north Chicago's large residential areas".

[blaise]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Actually, it was built "in the midst of one of north Chicago's large residential areas".

So, the suburbs basically.

[Brock]

Don't most people hop on a train to go to a Cubs game? It's not like they're walking across the street from work.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Just like I said earlier, here's another JoCo Bozo complaining about something that barely affects his wallet. I asked for property tax receipt to establish residency, I never said thats how the improvements were financed. Jackson County voted to renovate both Arrowhead and Kauffman Stadiums in 2007 following the passage of a 3/8-cent sales tax increase in a referendum. Notice that tax was passed in JACKSON County. Johnson County continues to freeload on what other parts of the city build to add to the communal good. Locals who live in city of KC south of the river, locals who live in Independence (my home town) or Sugar Creek, or Lee's Summit, or Blue Springs, or Buckner, or (your favorite suburb) Raytown, put their money where their mouth is and passed a tax to keep Kauffman Stadium looking good and viable as a MLB park. We buy our groceries, gas, clothes, hardware, most everything in JACKSON county. So STFD and about who "paid" for this thing.

No, you talked about property tax receipts because you didn't know how the thing was funded.

Every pitch to the voters included emphasis on the fact that Johnson County residents would wind up paying for a large portion of the cost via cross state purchases. The rolling roof would have been primarily by out of state business purchases.

I spend plenty of money in Jackson County, and I owned a business there as well. In fact, if I were to guess, I would say that I've paid more in Jackson County sales tax than the average Jackson County resident since the measure passed.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Actually, it was built "in the midst of one of north Chicago's large residential areas".

So residential, or entertainment district?

Bottom line, you ****ed up using Wrigley as an example. Wrigley is an example of what KC should do with the K - develop/build entertainment around it.

Hell, STL isn't even that good of an example. There's one bar right next door, and that's it. Shannon's is several blocks away. Busch is basically surrounded by parking garages.

So what are they doing?

Developing and building an entertainment district behind the left field stands on Clark Street.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Brock

Don't most people hop on a train to go to a Cubs game? It's not like they're walking across the street from work.

Yep. I was there last year, and the Addison Red Line station is always packed.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Chicago Cubs, 33-52, last place, 8th in MLB in attendance with 37,522 fans per game which is 91.2% of capacity.

Chicago White Sox, 47-38, 25th in attendance with 23,091 per, 56.9% capacity.

I guess Chicago has more people than Chicago.

Wrigley is smack dab in the middle of a huge residential and fairly wealthy area. Plus, the history and the fact that Cubs fans are mostly drunks and reeruns (many times both).

US Cellular is in a shitty neighborhood (although better than it used to be) and is one of the cookie cutter stadiums from the early 90's. I actually prefer going to Sox games over Cubs game because i like to actually watch the game and be around fans of the game.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by blaise

So, the suburbs basically.

No. Even back then, that area was not the suburbs. Look at some old pictures of it. It was wedged into an area of commercial, industrial, and multi-family units.

[gblowfish]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

No, you talked about property tax receipts because you didn't know how the thing was funded.

Every pitch to the voters included emphasis on the fact that Johnson County residents would wind up paying for a large portion of the cost via cross state purchases. The rolling roof would have been primarily by out of state business purchases.

I spend plenty of money in Jackson County, and I owned a business there as well. In fact, if I were to guess, I would say that I've paid more in Jackson County sales tax than the average Jackson County resident since the measure passed.

You're no better than Keitzman. Talk shit about Jackson County, but you live in Johnson County. Keitzman even moved his radio station from Jackson County to Johnson County. And bully for you, you think you make more money than somebody that lives in Independence, or Lee's Summit, or Blue Springs. Got news for you pal, there's lots of money in Eastern Jackson County.

Johnson County never pays their fair share for anything. Look at the metro: Airport is in Platte County, NASCAR in Wyandotte County. Casinos and Worlds of Fun in Clay County. Stadiums, arenas, art museums, historical sites all in Jackson County.

What does Johnson County contribute? Private golf courses, gated communities and tax dodgers.

If you want a downtown stadium, I suggest you first move to Jackson County and then put your money where your mouth is.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

But didn't you just say that the Cubs draw more fans than the Royals because the city is bigger? Why, then, do you think the Cubs, a last place team who last won the World Series during the Roosevelt administration, Teddy Roosevelt, nearly double up the first place Sox?

Here is Comiskey. Note that it is surrounded by parking lots.



Here is Wrigley. Note that there are dozens of bars where a giant parking lot would logically be.

First of all, I am not the one who said it. But I do agree with the notion that the higher the population the better attendance a team will achieve.

As to this example of yours, could it be not so much location as it is the city is predominantly Cubs fans? I mean, they came to be 18 years before the Sox. Just thinking out loud....

As to this whole bar attachment you have, that is why we simply will not agree on this. You want party at bars before and after the games. Where as I prefer to party in the lot tailgate style.