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**Rain Man** · 11-18-2013, 01:16 PM

...where would it be?

Poll to follow. You get to pick one unit. And unit is a funny word when you really think about it. Unit, unit, unit. It sounds like an alien word that we got from Roswell.

But I digress. Poll to follow.

The Rules:

Assume that we could get an incremental improvement of, say 10 to 15 percent. We're not talking about replacing our unit with a Hall of Fame unit. Just a bump in performance.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-18-2013, 02:51 PM

I want to see more of the second quarter and second to last drive Alex smith. And we need to stop congratulating him for not making mistakes. What I want is a QB who can manage games. That means playing it safe when we control the pace, and taking risks when we don't.

Because smith isn't asked to take control like that, he can sometimes look out of place when he does. I want his mentality to change. There have to be games where it's okay for him to make mistakes because one or two mistakes is okay. I think he has it in him but he has to be encouraged to do it. His back shoulder throw to McCluster is a great example of that.

And I'd have to think if he took more chances, he could get rid of the ball a hell of a lot faster.

**RealSNR** · 11-18-2013, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

Why the hell didn't we try at least ONE pass on the first and goal from the two?

That baffles the hell out of me.

We had the right idea. I'm not a huge fan of throwing in those situations.

Most of the blame for not getting a TD in that situation lies with Reid not putting his personnel in the right positions to get 2 yards on 3 tries. You can also question him for not going for it on 4th down, since it is Denver after all, and it's better to not score points with the opposing team backed up at their own 1 yard line than it is to not score points with the opposing team starting close to midfield.

Mr. Laz · 11-18-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think it was peter kings article that said Reid walked into meetings with a spring in his step and Pedersen and Childress have bags under their eyes. I think those two serve a much bigger purpose than people realize. But in the end, players have to execute.

maybe Reid has decided to pull back and give him some time and delegate more.

If that is the case then Pederson is not getting the job done

our basics are shit ... no excuse for that

TheUte · 11-18-2013, 03:29 PM

When you can't convert 3rd and 1 or 3rd and goal from inside the 5 yard line you got O-line issues. With a back like JC and 3rd and short should be a given.

Chiefnj2 · 11-18-2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I want his mentality to change.

He's a vet. He's not going to change. He is what he is.

**Rain Man** · 11-18-2013, 07:38 PM

I like the fact that it's a complete dead heat after 112 votes.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 11-18-2013, 07:40 PM

Sorry to break the tie, but the O-Line is the glaring problem on this team. A 10-15% increase would make us Super Bowl Contenders this year IMO.

lcarus · 11-18-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The biggest issue with rookie running backs are the protection calls. Does the RB know the offense, know the calls and if an audible is called, adjust?

It's not about "see what he can do!". That's bullshit.

Davis has shown the past few weeks that he has a firm grasp of the offense and he's done well in limited touches. My opinion is that he needs to see about 10 touches the next few games in order to give Charles a break.

He's a big dude with 4.3 speed with good vision. He can help the team.

The dude was agreeing with you with his post.

keg in kc · 11-18-2013, 07:51 PM

I think a 15% improvement at quarterback would have a greater overall impact on the unit than anything else. It would allow for a change in the offensive playcalling, and I think it would have a snowball effect on the execution at every level of the offense. I think it would help to elevate the performance of literally everybody on the unit. I don't think you can say that for any other position or group, including the o-line.

**Reaper16** · 11-18-2013, 08:00 PM

Interior O-Line is the biggest problem with this team. But improving that unit still doesn't get rid of Alex Smith's limitations, it merely lets you run your playbook with more confidence. Improving the QB position would pay bigger immediate dividends for this team.

saphojunkie · 11-18-2013, 08:04 PM

I just don't think a 15% improvement of Alex Smith would be significant enough. But improving by 15% across the board of his receiving targets would be.

Would I want just Alex Smith better, or Bowe, Avery, McCluster, Fasano, McGrath, and Hemmingway?

Pretty simple for me.

scho63 · 11-18-2013, 08:05 PM

People voting for "Our Quarterbacks" just have a negative Alex Smith bias and really aren't watching very well.

I realize their postings don't hold a very analytic or realistic view point if that is truly their answer.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-18-2013, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

People voting for "Our Quarterbacks" just have a negative Alex Smith bias and really aren't watching very well.

I realize their postings don't hold a very analytic or realistic view point if that is truly their answer.

Alex Smith has to start throwing his guys open, get rid of the ball quicker, and has to loosen up defenses so they're not stacking the box.

Doing the first improves the WRs and helps him get rid of the ball faster, doing the second improves the o-line, doing the third helps our run offense immensely.

I don't have an Alex Smith bias. But reality is reality.

scho63 · 11-18-2013, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Alex Smith has to start throwing his guys open, get rid of the ball quicker, and has to loosen up defenses so they're not stacking the box.

Doing the first improves the WRs and helps him get rid of the ball faster, doing the second improves the o-line, doing the third helps our run offense immensely.

I don't have an Alex Smith bias. But reality is reality.

Our receivers SUCK at getting separation and in the last 10 games, Alex Smith has made a lot of great throws only to have another dropped pass cost us.

Up until last night, he has been pretty good at not taking stupid sacks.

Throwing to covered receivers? He has spent time going through his progressions nicely and I don't want to see 3-4 INT's each game like Cassel!

Our O line has been piss poor in run and pass blocking. Charles has worked for every damn yard he has gotten.

I'm not sure how you can make Alex Smith the scapegoat because he is not.

Sandy Vagina · 11-18-2013, 08:16 PM

All starts up front. Alex had a good OL in 2012 and led the League in efficiency. He would be doing that in KC if their OL was good... but they are not.

View Poll Results: A 10 to 15 percent improvement would be best in ...
Our running backs	1	0.52%
Our quarterbacks	65	33.85%
Our receivers and tight ends	56	29.17%
Our offensive line	62	32.29%
Our kicking/punting specialists	0	0%
Our kick/punt coverage and blocking	0	0%
Our kick/punt returning	0	0%
Our defensive backs	1	0.52%
Our linebackers	0	0%
Our defensive line	0	0%
Our coaching	1	0.52%
Our cheerleaders	1	0.52%
Our trainers and equipment managers	1	0.52%
Our fans	2	1.04%
Other (please specify)	2	1.04%
We don't need improvement in any area.	0	0%
Improvement won't help. I'm a pessimist.	0	0%
No vote. I try to mind my own business.	0	0%
Voters: 192. You may not vote on this poll

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Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-462449 VARSITY	If we could have an improvement right now with the Chiefs... ...where would it be? Poll to follow. You get to pick one unit. And unit is a funny word when you really think about it. Unit, unit, unit. It sounds like an alien word that we got from Roswell. But I digress. Poll to follow. The Rules: Assume that we could get an incremental improvement of, say 10 to 15 percent. We're not talking about replacing our unit with a Hall of Fame unit. Just a bump in performance.
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11-18-2013, 02:51 PM	#61
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1555503	I want to see more of the second quarter and second to last drive Alex smith. And we need to stop congratulating him for not making mistakes. What I want is a QB who can manage games. That means playing it safe when we control the pace, and taking risks when we don't. Because smith isn't asked to take control like that, he can sometimes look out of place when he does. I want his mentality to change. There have to be games where it's okay for him to make mistakes because one or two mistakes is okay. I think he has it in him but he has to be encouraged to do it. His back shoulder throw to McCluster is a great example of that. And I'd have to think if he took more chances, he could get rid of the ball a hell of a lot faster.
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11-18-2013, 03:29 PM	#64
TheUte Veteran Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $10014498	When you can't convert 3rd and 1 or 3rd and goal from inside the 5 yard line you got O-line issues. With a back like JC and 3rd and short should be a given.
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Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-462449 VARSITY	I like the fact that it's a complete dead heat after 112 votes. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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11-18-2013, 07:51 PM	#69
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I think a 15% improvement at quarterback would have a greater overall impact on the unit than anything else. It would allow for a change in the offensive playcalling, and I think it would have a snowball effect on the execution at every level of the offense. I think it would help to elevate the performance of literally everybody on the unit. I don't think you can say that for any other position or group, including the o-line.
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11-18-2013, 08:04 PM	#71
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $2356550	I just don't think a 15% improvement of Alex Smith would be significant enough. But improving by 15% across the board of his receiving targets would be. Would I want just Alex Smith better, or Bowe, Avery, McCluster, Fasano, McGrath, and Hemmingway? Pretty simple for me.
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11-18-2013, 08:05 PM	#72
scho63 Politically Incorrect Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Casino cash: $-720000	People voting for "Our Quarterbacks" just have a negative Alex Smith bias and really aren't watching very well. I realize their postings don't hold a very analytic or realistic view point if that is truly their answer. __________________ *"The only difference between sex for free and sex for money is that sex for free costs you a WHOLE LOT more!"* ~Redd Foxx~ ~~2018 2019 2020 20212022 2023~~ 2024 Adopt a Chief - Clark Hunt and Brett Veach "The men who drafted Patrick Mahomes"
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