What Does the Farmer Say?

[Deberg_1990]

Work, work, work, work, work, wa work!

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Boo hoo.

The rest of the world works really goddamn hard as well; farmer's don't have the patent on it and are as bad as stay at home moms when it comes to overstating their 'labors'.

Yeah... it's pretty clear you know nothing about it. Most of the hard working farmers I know still don't have a GPS-guided air conditioned tractor and excess time to waste at some cafe. You're speaking out your ass, and it shows.

You'd gain a great deal of respect for the profession by simply stepping foot on a farm sometime. Because it's obvious you never have. Farmers are good people and your view of them is way off.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Fish

Yeah... it's pretty clear you know nothing about it. Most of the hard working farmers I know still don't have a GPS-guided air conditioned tractor and excess time to waste at some cafe. You're speaking out your ass, and it shows.

You'd gain a great deal of respect for the profession by simply stepping foot on a farm sometime. Because it's obvious you never have. Farmers are good people and your view of them is way off.

I spent every summer doing farm/ranch work growing up.

I never said they were bad people. In fact it is quite the opposite, they're generally among the most cordial, friendly people you'll meet. I said they need to stop acting like they work harder than the rest of the world.

They don't.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I spent every summer doing farm/ranch work growing up.

I never said they were bad people. In fact it is quite the opposite, they're generally among the most cordial, friendly people you'll meet. I said they need to stop acting like they work harder than the rest of the world.

They don't.

Posted from my leather chair in my office in front of the fireplace

[BlackHelicopters]

"I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our children."

[RealSNR]

Why can't farmers own leather chairs and fireplaces, mikey? What's stopping them?

Just because their jobs are more labor-intensive than others means they have to confine themselves to spartan living conditions for the rest of their lives?

I think that's part of what DJ's LN was getting at in terms of the cultural frames we impose on farmers and other careers.

I could be wrong, though.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by SNR

Why can't farmers own leather chairs and fireplaces, mikey? What's stopping them?

Just because their jobs are more labor-intensive than others means they have to confine themselves to spartan living conditions for the rest of their lives?

I think that's part of what DJ's LN was getting at in terms of the cultural frames we impose on farmers and other careers.

I could be wrong, though.

only if they have many leatherbound books

[RealSNR]

What? So now farmers aren't allowed to be book collectors?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I spent every summer doing farm/ranch work growing up.

I never said they were bad people. In fact it is quite the opposite, they're generally among the most cordial, friendly people you'll meet. I said they need to stop acting like they work harder than the rest of the world.

They don't.

I'm not sure I believe you. Especially defining it as a "farm/ranch work" and equating farming to air-conditioned cabs and 3 hour lunch breaks.

On average they do work harder than most other Americans. The logistics of the profession alone require it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Fish

I'm not sure I believe you. Especially defining it as a "farm/ranch work" and equating farming to air-conditioned cabs and 3 hour lunch breaks.

On average they do work harder than most other Americans. The logistics of the profession alone require it.

Whatever you say, sport. I'm positive that I don't really care if you believe me.

The 'logistics' don't require a thing. Sure, they do more manual labor, but that's not the dispositive characteristic of what makes a job hard.

They do more stuff that can cause them physical injury, but there are a hell of a lot of people, including many on this board, that face stresses and other issues just as likely to put them in a hole sooner because of it.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Whatever you say, sport. I'm positive that I don't really care if you believe me.

The 'logistics' don't require a thing. Sure, they do more manual labor, but that's not the dispositive characteristic of what makes a job hard.

They do more stuff that can cause them physical injury, but there are a hell of a lot of people, including many on this board, that face stresses and other issues just as likely to put them in a hole sooner because of it.

The logistics of moving, operating, and maintaining hundreds of tons of equipment worth millions of dollars don't require a thing?

Wow dude...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Fish

The logistics of moving, operating, and maintaining hundreds of tons of equipment worth millions of dollars don't require a thing?

Wow dude...

Your position is that those logistics 'require' that they work harder than the average American.

My ass they do. You act as though there aren't 'logistics' in any other job.

Shit, a mechanic needs to maintain and operate tons of equipment worth millions of dollars - turning a wrench is turning a wrench. The mechanics that are keeping fire trucks running can claim a similar job description.

Do farmers automatically work harder than the guy working at the body shop that answers to a shitty boss, works in a sweltering garage and has asshole customers in his ear all day?

No, no they do not. Putting large numbers like 'tons' and 'millions' in their job description doesn't impress me. They're by no means the only ones that can claim similar burdens.

How about a line accountant at a big-3 firm? That guy's going to work literally 18 hours/day for weeks at a time. He's going to have 7 figure earners absolutely shredding him for missing a single transaction in thousands of lines of them. He's going to have ulcers the size of half-dollars because nothing about his time is actually his. Oh, but because he doesn't risk a fence-strecher backfiring into his shoulder, he doesn't work hard.

Hell, let's just keep going up the chain. How about actual executives? The fat cats, according to the fine folks in overalls. They have to know where billions of dollars are getting spent at any given time. They have to be responsible for oversight/administration that carries with it legitimate criminal liability. They are responsible on any given day for decisions that could leave scores of people unemployed. And yes, they're often working 12-14 hour days as well and feel like the weight of every one of their employees, clients and their own family rests on their shoulders. My god, look at the health record of people in the banking, medical or legal professions - stress kills those fellas off in droves.

Spare me. Farmers don't work harder than the average american. They don't have the high ground when it comes to work ethic. "City-folk" as they like to say, often work just as hard, face just as much shit and have even less gratitude for their efforts.

Farmers do not have the patent on hard work.

[saphojunkie]

Parody of a comedy song does not comedy.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Your position is that those logistics 'require' that they work harder than the average American.

My ass they do. You act as though there aren't 'logistics' in any other job.

Shit, a mechanic needs to maintain and operate tons of equipment worth millions of dollars - turning a wrench is turning a wrench. The mechanics that are keeping fire trucks running can claim a similar job description.

Do farmers automatically work harder than the guy working at the body shop that answers to a shitty boss, works in a sweltering garage and has asshole customers in his ear all day?

No, no they do not. Putting large numbers like 'tons' and 'millions' in their job description doesn't impress me. They're by no means the only ones that can claim similar burdens.

How about a line accountant at a big-3 firm? That guy's going to work literally 18 hours/day for weeks at a time. He's going to have 7 figure earners absolutely shredding him for missing a single transaction in thousands of lines of them. He's going to have ulcers the size of half-dollars because nothing about his time is actually his. Oh, but because he doesn't risk a fence-strecher backfiring into his shoulder, he doesn't work hard.

Hell, let's just keep going up the chain. How about actual executives? The fat cats, according to the fine folks in overalls. They have to know where billions of dollars are getting spent at any given time. They have to be responsible for oversight/administration that carries with it legitimate criminal liability. They are responsible on any given day for decisions that could leave scores of people unemployed. And yes, they're often working 12-14 hour days as well and feel like the weight of every one of their employees, clients and their own family rests on their shoulders. My god, look at the health record of people in the banking, medical or legal professions - stress kills those fellas off in droves.

Spare me. Farmers don't work harder than the average american. They don't have the high ground when it comes to work ethic. "City-folk" as they like to say, often work just as hard, face just as much shit and have even less gratitude for their efforts.

Farmers do not have the patent on hard work.

Anyone posting on chiefsplanet by definition does not work too hard.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Your position is that those logistics 'require' that they work harder than the average American.

My ass they do. You act as though there aren't 'logistics' in any other job.

Shit, a mechanic needs to maintain and operate tons of equipment worth millions of dollars - turning a wrench is turning a wrench. The mechanics that are keeping fire trucks running can claim a similar job description.

Do farmers automatically work harder than the guy working at the body shop that answers to a shitty boss, works in a sweltering garage and has asshole customers in his ear all day?

No, no they do not. Putting large numbers like 'tons' and 'millions' in their job description doesn't impress me. They're by no means the only ones that can claim similar burdens.

How about a line accountant at a big-3 firm? That guy's going to work literally 18 hours/day for weeks at a time. He's going to have 7 figure earners absolutely shredding him for missing a single transaction in thousands of lines of them. He's going to have ulcers the size of half-dollars because nothing about his time is actually his. Oh, but because he doesn't risk a fence-strecher backfiring into his shoulder, he doesn't work hard.

Hell, let's just keep going up the chain. How about actual executives? The fat cats, according to the fine folks in overalls. They have to know where billions of dollars are getting spent at any given time. They have to be responsible for oversight/administration that carries with it legitimate criminal liability. They are responsible on any given day for decisions that could leave scores of people unemployed. And yes, they're often working 12-14 hour days as well and feel like the weight of every one of their employees, clients and their own family rests on their shoulders. My god, look at the health record of people in the banking, medical or legal professions - stress kills those fellas off in droves.

Spare me. Farmers don't work harder than the average american. They don't have the high ground when it comes to work ethic. "City-folk" as they like to say, often work just as hard, face just as much shit and have even less gratitude for their efforts.

Farmers do not have the patent on hard work.

Mechanics, accountants, and executives? LOL... you can't be serious.

That mechanic is on a set 8-5 schedule. His little 9/16 wrench is actually quite a bit easier to turn than the baseball bat sized wrench needed to loosen the nuts that are bigger than your hand. So no, all wrench turning is not the same. Not even close. Not to mention that the farmer can fix the same pickup the mechanic is working on, in addition to having the responsibility of fixing the combine, fleet of diesel farm trucks, the tractor, all the different things the tractor pulls, the Farmhand used to feed the animals, the buildings where it's all stored, down to the fence that's surrounding the farm. Quite a bit more responsibility.

An accountant? Yeah, sitting in a chair pecking a keyboard is quite a feat. With the TPS reports and whatnot, now there's the definition of hard work. Forget working outdoors in weather varying from below freezing to over 100. Accounting can give you stomach pains sometimes.

And how about those executives? Working with other people's money. My how difficult. Nevermind that the the farmer deals with just as much money as that executive, with most of it being his own investment. And you're forgetting that not only does the farmer also deal with just as much if not more money and all the same responsibility that comes with it, the farmer is also expected to do the mechanics job as well, and still fit all that in to a day's work.

So the farmer is simultaneously doing the job of two of the other professions you've listed. Show me the executive that also does the full job of the mechanic, and then you might have somebody to compare to what a farmer does in a day.

[DJ's left nut]

Now who's being ignorant?

You have the most simple-minded view of what constitutes hard work imaginable.

You and the rest of the shit-slingers and tractor drivers that would get absolutely eaten alive if you had to answer to some of the people that the rest of the world does.

By god, if you can't bust your knuckles doing it, it ain't hard!!!

Mouthbreather.