2013 Draft in Review

[FRCDFED]

I know there were a lot of mixed opinions on here regarding taking Fisher at 1.1 last year. Some loved the pick and some wanted Geno Smith.

I ask each of you to analyze what we accomplished this season and look back at ALL the 1st round picks. Knowing what we know now: Fisher didn't make a huge impact (same for other rookies); our defense folded like a cheap tent down the stretch after starting off strong...........

Obviously all of our OT's played at some point during the season but which player drafted in the 1st round of the 2013 draft would've arguably made a bigger IMPACT?

1 1 Kansas City Chiefs Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan
1 2 Jacksonville Jaguars Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M
1 3 Miami Dolphins Dion Jordan DE Oregon
1 4 Philadelphia Eagles Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
1 5 Detroit Lions Ezekiel Ansah DE BYU
1 6 Cleveland Browns Barkevious Mingo DE LSU
1 7 Arizona Cardinals Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina
1 8 St. Louis Rams Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
1 9 New York Jets Dee Milliner CB Alabama
1 10 Tennessee Titans Chance Warmack G Alabama
1 11 San Diego Chargers D. J. Fluker OT Alabama
1 12 Oakland Raiders D. J. Hayden CB Houston
1 13 New York Jets Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
1 14 Carolina Panthers Star Lotulelei DT Utah
1 15 New Orleans Saints Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
1 16 Buffalo Bills E. J. Manuel QB Florida State
1 17 Pittsburgh Steelers Jarvis Jones LB Georgia
1 18 San Francisco 49ers Eric Reid S LSU
1 19 New York Giants Justin Pugh G Syracuse
1 20 Chicago Bears Kyle Long G Oregon
1 21 Cincinnati Bengals Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame
1 22 Atlanta Falcons Desmond Trufant CB Washington
1 23 Minnesota Vikings Sharrif Floyd DT Florida
1 24 Indianapolis Colts Björn Werner DE Florida State
1 25 Minnesota Vikings Xavier Rhodes CB Florida State
1 26 Green Bay Packers Datone Jones DE UCLA
1 27 Houston Texans DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
1 28 Denver Broncos Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina
1 29 Minnesota Vikings Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee
1 30 St. Louis Rams Alec Ogletree LB Georgia
1 31 Dallas Cowboys Travis Frederick C Wisconsin
1 32 Baltimore Ravens Matt Elam S Florida

My vote would have been for Vaccaro, Elam, or Reid.

[Direckshun]

A safety at #1 overall. Makes perfect sense.

I would have made an investment at QB at the time.

In retrospect, I would have drafted Star Lotulelei #1 overall. I also like Sheldon Richardson, but he's not out of the clear yet. His character concerns can still come home to roost. Lotulelei is going to be an All Pro for a very long time.

[FRCDFED]

Be objective........would Lotulelei have made a larger impact than a safety? I don't think so.

Focus not on draft postion but who would've made a bigger impact. Of course pass rush impacts coverage so I get that.

[The Franchise]

Mingo or Jordan.

[FRCDFED]

Maybe I should ask each response to tell how they would've made an impact.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Be objective........would Lotulelei have made a larger impact than a safety? I don't think so.

Focus not on draft postion but who would've made a bigger impact.

Lotulelei destroyed worlds his rookie year. The guy is an All Pro at a critical position.

Vacarro can yet still be an All Pro talent, but it's not yet clear. The other two are good, but definitely not in Lotulelei's league.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Maybe I should ask each response to tell how they would've made an impact.

Would've made TJax expendable. We would have lost nothing against the run but we would have had much better push from the end position.

[The Franchise]

But where does Star fit in our 3-4? Would it negate some of his dominance? Richardson excelled in the Jets 3-4 defense. It might be safe to assume that Star could have as well....but it's not a guarantee.

[FRCDFED]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Mingo or Jordan.

Jordan didn't make an impact.

Year Team G Solo Ast Total Sack Yds Yd/Sk Int Yds IntTD Rec TD Frcd Pass D Sfty Yds TD Yds TD
2013 MIA 16 19 7 26 2.0 18 9.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0

Mingo had 5 sacks.

COMB TOTAL AST SACK FF FR YDS INT YDS AVG LNG TD PD STF STFYDS KB
2013 Regular Season 42 29 13 5.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 4 16 0

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Mingo or Jordan.

Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Maybe I should ask each response to tell how they would've made an impact.

Mingo or Jordan allows this defense to rotate Hali out for a breather. Our pass rush also wouldn't have folded when Hali or Houston went down. We literally had/have nothing behind Hali and Houston and it showed this season.

Would taking a part time player at #1 be stupid? More than likely yes. But Fisher might as well have been a part time player this year anyways.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Jordan didn't make an impact.

Year Team G Solo Ast Total Sack Yds Yd/Sk Int Yds IntTD Rec TD Frcd Pass D Sfty Yds TD Yds TD
2013 MIA 16 19 7 26 2.0 18 9.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0

Mingo had 5 sacks.

COMB TOTAL AST SACK FF FR YDS INT YDS AVG LNG TD PD STF STFYDS KB
2013 Regular Season 42 29 13 5.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 4 16 0

You don't know what kind of impact Mingo or Jordan would have had on this team. Miami barely ****ing played Jordan. That's because Miami is reeruned....not because Jordan isn't talented.

[FRCDFED]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Mingo or Jordan allows this defense to rotate Hali out for a breather. Our pass rush also wouldn't have folded when Hali or Houston went down. We literally had/have nothing behind Hali and Houston and it showed this season.

Would taking a part time player at #1 be stupid? More than likely yes. But Fisher might as well have been a part time player this year anyways.

True about Fisher. That's the thought process that led me to create this thread. Who would've contributed more and made more of a difference on this team. In the end it isn't about draft position. It's about impact.

FTR - I'm in the camp that thinks Hali (despite being held frequently) is going to start a steep decline soon.

[The Franchise]

If you're basing everything off immediate impact this year.....then you either go FS or WR because they were our biggest holes. Austin or Patterson give's Smith another weapon.

[FRCDFED]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

You don't know what kind of impact Mingo or Jordan would have had on this team. Miami barely ****ing played Jordan. That's because Miami is reeruned....not because Jordan isn't talented.

Good point. I can't base their total effectiveness on how they played on another team. However, I do need to somehow measure their ability to play in the NFL. Whether it is because Miami is reeruned (which they were) or he just couldn't crack the starting lineup I have to take the stats at face value.

With that being said, for the purposes of this discussion let's assume that the #1 pick has to start for KC. Therefore, someone else will be replaced. In that case, we can project Jordan's stats over the full 16 game season.

[FRCDFED]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

If you're basing everything off immediate impact this year.....then you either go FS or WR because they were our biggest holes. Austin or Patterson give's Smith another weapon.

Austin seemed like a good pick at the time but he has only flashed in St. Louis. Although there were a couple of really good games!