Chiefs Reworking deals? - Page 3

Direckshun · 02-14-2014, 03:18 PM

So I'm screwing around with the salary cap calculator. I can get this team in a decent-enough position to stay beneathe the cap by about $3,000,000 if I:

(a.) Extend Alex Smith by about $15m/year.
(b.) Re-sign Schwartz to about $2.5m/year.
(c.) Re-sign McCluster to about $3m/year.
(c.) Re-sign Jordan and Powe to minimals.
(d.) Extend Berry to about $8m/year, lowering his cap number by about $4m.
(e.) Restructure Hali, which hurts our cap in 2015, but not fatally if handled in the other contracts, lowering his cap number in 2014 by about $4m.

There's still two deals on this team, after all this adjusting, that are vastly out of whack to their value. Bowe is at $12m/year, and Flowers is at $10m/year. (We can temporarily overlook Sean Smith's $5m/year & Fasano's $4m/year.)

How often do players rework their deals, if it's clear they're outsized contracts?

Suppose the Chiefs approach Bowe and Flowers and argue that they need to rework their deals to come out to about $8m/year and $6.7m/year, respectively. How common is it that players agree to something like that?

Last offseason, TJax reworked his deal to lower his cap number from $14m to $4m.

Bowe and Flowers could, ostensibly, threaten to hold out or demand a trade/release. But the Chiefs do have a starting corner-caliber player in Cooper, and the Chiefs could easily spend their 1st rounder on a WR, so it's not clear how much of an advantage that is.

The Chiefs, on the other hand, could cut either player, save about $10m in capspace doing it, and it's virtually impossible that Bowe or Flowers would find a better deal on the open market than what we're offering ($8m/year and $6.7m/year, respectively).

So the Chiefs have more leverage, right?

FYI, if the Chiefs follow all the steps I outlined above, and were able to rework both Bowe and Flowers' deal as I suggested, that would put the Chiefs $8m under the cap, which would allow them to chase down a premier WR or S. Or whatever value we could score.

**jjchieffan** · 02-16-2014, 07:26 PM

He showed that he could capably fill in last season playing with a bunch of backups against a San Diego team playing for their playoff lives. That alone makes him worth his contract in my opinion. If Alex goes down, I want to know that the next man in line can step in and not miss a beat. It's not like he's getting starter money or anywhere close. Hell. is contract plus Alex's contract is still way less than Casshole was played. I guess we could get Quinn back for less. Is that what you want?

milkman · 02-16-2014, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

He showed that he could capably fill in last season playing with a bunch of backups against a San Diego team playing for their playoff lives. That alone makes him worth his contract in my opinion. If Alex goes down, I want to know that the next man in line can step in and not miss a beat. It's not like he's getting starter money or anywhere close. Hell. is contract plus Alex's contract is still way less than Casshole was played. I guess we could get Quinn back for less. Is that what you want?

You asked why he is overpaid.

I answered.

What he did after he received the contract he hadn't earned is irrelevant.

**jjchieffan** · 02-16-2014, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, he's overpaid.

There are no 'untils'.

You earn your second contract based on your performance during your first contract.

He did jack.

So because Brees stayed healthy while he was in New Orleans, he is overpaid? I guess using that logic, the Packers should've never paid Rodgers. After all, Favre never got hurt, what had he proved until the point of Favre's first retirement?

ShowtimeSBMVP · 02-16-2014, 07:32 PM

Source says Terrell Suggs' $12.4 million salary-cap figure reduced significantly. Compromise reached. Details not in yet, both sides happy
— Aaron Wilson (@RavensInsider) February 17, 2014

Think this helps KC with Hali?

**jjchieffan** · 02-16-2014, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You asked why he is overpaid.

I answered.

What he did after he received the contract he hadn't earned is irrelevant.

So I gues you think he should've been signed for league minimum? Because Brees never missed any games? He got a start last year. He played well. Now he has showed why Reid and Dorsey thought he was worth what they paid him. If he was getting $5M/ year or more, I could see the complaints. But 3 years $10 seems fair to me.

O.city · 02-16-2014, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Source says Terrell Suggs' $12.4 million salary-cap figure reduced significantly. Compromise reached. Details not in yet, both sides happy
— Aaron Wilson (@RavensInsider) February 17, 2014

Think this helps KC with Hali?

Hopefully, cause we are in about the same place there

milkman · 02-16-2014, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

So because Brees stayed healthy while he was in New Orleans, he is overpaid? I guess using that logic, the Packers should've never paid Rodgers. After all, Favre never got hurt, what had he proved until the point of Favre's first retirement?

I'm fairly certain Rodgers 2nd contract didn't come up until he had 2 years in as the Pack| starter.

But that is just another irrelevant argument.

Dorsey and Reid's faith might be justified, eventually, but one game doesn't justify it.

He didn't earn thar contract.

Everything else is irrelevant bull shit.

**jjchieffan** · 02-16-2014, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'm fairly certain Rodgers 2nd contract didn't come up until he had 2 years in as the Pack| starter.

But that is just another irrelevant argument.

Dorsey and Reid's faith might be justified, eventually, but one game doesn't justify it.

He didn't earn thar contract.

Everything else is irrelevant bull shit.

So what do you think would be a fair contract?

Deberg_1990 · 02-16-2014, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'm fairly certain Rodgers 2nd contract didn't come up until he had 2 years in as the Pack| starter.

But that is just another irrelevant argument.

Dorsey and Reid's faith might be justified, eventually, but one game doesn't justify it.

He didn't earn thar contract.

Everything else is irrelevant bull shit.

Come on Milk. you know athletes are paid all the time on potential and not just past performance. that's how the game works.
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ThaVirus · 02-16-2014, 07:55 PM

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Come on Milk. you know athletes are paid all the time on potential and not just past performance. that's how the game works.
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Yeah, but Daniel was an UDFA and, as Milk said, prior to week 17 of this season he'd taken less than a handful of meaningful snaps in the NFL.

What potential are they seeing?

Dunerdr · 02-16-2014, 07:59 PM

So where would it put us if Jenkins could replace Avery and Donnie gets cut?

milkman · 02-16-2014, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

So what do you think would be a fair contract?

3 years, 6 mil, and frankly, I'm being generous.

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Come on Milk. you know athletes are paid all the time on potential and not just past performance. that's how the game works.
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They are paid on potential coming out of college, not on 2nd contracts.

**jjchieffan** · 02-16-2014, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'm fairly certain Rodgers 2nd contract didn't come up until he had 2 years in as the Pack| starter.

But that is just another irrelevant argument.

Dorsey and Reid's faith might be justified, eventually, but one game doesn't justify it.

He didn't earn thar contract.

Everything else is irrelevant bull shit.

Rodgers was a first round pick prior to the new rookie wage scale I believe. I'm pretty sure that he was already recieving more than Chase's deal on his rookie contract. What had he done prior to that to earn his contract. I'm having trouble finding current info, but I see that back in 2008 we paid Huard $2.6M and he was middlle of the pack. That was 5 years ago.

KChiefs1 · 02-16-2014, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

He showed that he could capably fill in last season playing with a bunch of backups against a San Diego team playing for their playoff lives. That alone makes him worth his contract in my opinion. If Alex goes down, I want to know that the next man in line can step in and not miss a beat. It's not like he's getting starter money or anywhere close. Hell. is contract plus Alex's contract is still way less than Casshole was played. I guess we could get Quinn back for less. Is that what you want?

If Reid wanted him that's enough for me...it's not like Reid doesn't know anything about QB's.

milkman · 02-16-2014, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Rodgers was a first round pick prior to the new rookie wage scale I believe. I'm pretty sure that he was already recieving more than Chase's deal on his rookie contract. What had he done prior to that to earn his contract. I'm having trouble finding current info, but I see that back in 2008 we paid Huard $2.6M and he was middlle of the pack. That was 5 years ago.

Rookies are paid on potential.

2nd contracts are based on previous NFL production.

02-14-2014, 03:18 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2103447	Reworking deals? So I'm screwing around with the salary cap calculator. I can get this team in a decent-enough position to stay beneathe the cap by about $3,000,000 if I: (a.) Extend Alex Smith by about $15m/year. (b.) Re-sign Schwartz to about $2.5m/year. (c.) Re-sign McCluster to about $3m/year. (c.) Re-sign Jordan and Powe to minimals. (d.) Extend Berry to about $8m/year, lowering his cap number by about $4m. (e.) Restructure Hali, which hurts our cap in 2015, but not fatally if handled in the other contracts, lowering his cap number in 2014 by about $4m. There's still two deals on this team, after all this adjusting, that are vastly out of whack to their value. Bowe is at $12m/year, and Flowers is at $10m/year. (We can temporarily overlook Sean Smith's $5m/year & Fasano's $4m/year.) How often do players rework their deals, if it's clear they're outsized contracts? Suppose the Chiefs approach Bowe and Flowers and argue that they need to rework their deals to come out to about $8m/year and $6.7m/year, respectively. How common is it that players agree to something like that? Last offseason, TJax reworked his deal to lower his cap number from $14m to $4m. Bowe and Flowers could, ostensibly, threaten to hold out or demand a trade/release. But the Chiefs do have a starting corner-caliber player in Cooper, and the Chiefs could easily spend their 1st rounder on a WR, so it's not clear how much of an advantage that is. The Chiefs, on the other hand, could cut either player, save about $10m in capspace doing it, and it's virtually impossible that Bowe or Flowers would find a better deal on the open market than what we're offering ($8m/year and $6.7m/year, respectively). So the Chiefs have more leverage, right? FYI, if the Chiefs follow all the steps I outlined above, and were able to rework both Bowe and Flowers' deal as I suggested, that would put the Chiefs $8m under the cap, which would allow them to chase down a premier WR or S. Or whatever value we could score.
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